why?! 5+ axis machines

[Cliff Huprich]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:12:18 GMT, Michael <gailey@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
jeff wrote: "Michael" <gailey@frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:QBdmd.3915$jh5.2847@news02.roc.ny...Cliff wrote:> What's a CAM system?A system that includes a 3D Modeler vs 2D CAD!CAD doesn't cover 3D Modeling, nor Assembly, nor much of anything butlines, arcs and 2 D Prints. It seems terribly dated to refer to todayssystems with CAD in the name.Michael So SolidWorks, ProE, Inventor, et al can't do modeling, detailing or assemblies, only 2d lines. I wonder what our MEs are doing all day, and why we spent 25k per seat for something I can do with an etch-a-sketch.Jeff, I think you completely misunderstood my statement. I have used theterm CAD CAD since the 70's. All I am saying is that I don't prefer todescribe 3D Modeling as just CAD. Anybody can go to a VoTech and learnAutocad and be abl to draw prints. Modeling is a different animal, likecreating complex parting line models etc. To me the description CADfalls short of giving the user, like yourself, credit for al that youdo. 3D Modeling is more in the Design field than just simple 2D Cad.Look at the header on my website and then read the descriptions in themenu to see what I do. http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm Yes, I still use the term CAD CAM but it seems that there are betterdescriptions than simply lumping everything as just CAD. Far too manyusers get taken advantage of at work by getting paid to be a CAD guywhile doing much more complex work than CAD. What do "CAD guys" makethese days, $12.50 an hour? I think the modeling field should get morecredit than just CAD. Nothing more than that, how would you like to bepaid at work? As a CAD guy or for Design work?Michael

Always more good stuff to learn. I doubt that, at the wages
you get, I'd want to work for you though. Or even go into the field.
Did you need to finish HS to get the job? In the US?

BTW, Where are the pictures from?

Keep up the good information.
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Cliff

[Michael]

Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:12:18 GMT, Michael <gailey@frontiernet.net> wrote:jeff wrote:"Michael" <gailey@frontiernet.net> wrote in messagenews:QBdmd.3915$jh5.2847@news02.roc.ny...>Cliff wrote:>>>> What's a CAM system?>>A system that includes a 3D Modeler vs 2D CAD!>>CAD doesn't cover 3D Modeling, nor Assembly, nor much of anything but>lines, arcs and 2 D Prints. It seems terribly dated to refer to todays>systems with CAD in the name.>MichaelSo SolidWorks, ProE, Inventor, et al can't do modeling, detailing orassemblies, only 2d lines. I wonder what our MEs are doing all day, and whywe spent 25k per seat for something I can do with an etch-a-sketch.Jeff, I think you completely misunderstood my statement. I have used theterm CAD CAD since the 70's. All I am saying is that I don't prefer todescribe 3D Modeling as just CAD. Anybody can go to a VoTech and learnAutocad and be abl to draw prints. Modeling is a different animal, likecreating complex parting line models etc. To me the description CADfalls short of giving the user, like yourself, credit for al that youdo. 3D Modeling is more in the Design field than just simple 2D Cad.Look at the header on my website and then read the descriptions in themenu to see what I do. http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm Yes, I still use the term CAD CAM but it seems that there are betterdescriptions than simply lumping everything as just CAD. Far too manyusers get taken advantage of at work by getting paid to be a CAD guywhile doing much more complex work than CAD. What do "CAD guys" makethese days, $12.50 an hour? I think the modeling field should get morecredit than just CAD. Nothing more than that, how would you like to bepaid at work? As a CAD guy or for Design work?Michael Always more good stuff to learn. I doubt that, at the wages you get, I'd want to work for you though.

Don't flatter yourself, there is no offer coming your way. :) The object
of engineering is to keep things as simple as possible, you seem to
always complicate every issue. The complete opposite of how I work.
BTW, Where are the pictures from?

Did my disclaimer confuse you, sorry about that, here it is again.

http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm
All images posted on this website are either the Copyrighted materials
belonging to ©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com or images of
actual parts modeled, machined, drawn by
©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com or products used and promoted by
MicroSystemsGeorgia.com
Copyright 2003-2004
Further use or duplication of any images posted on
©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com is forbidden.
Keep up the good information.

Thanks for crossposting this all over the Internet for me. There are CAD
guys everywhere who are deserving a raise and Management all over
wishing to hold their costs down.
See how you are?
Have a great day Cliff!
Now you go back in the Bozo bin, at least you are improving, you made it
a week this time.
Michael

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Michael Gailey
Artistic CNC Mill, Router and Engraver Programming
3D modeling for Product Design and Development
http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htm

[Cliff Huprich]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:56:39 GMT, Michael <gailey@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
Always more good stuff to learn. I doubt that, at the wages you get, I'd want to work for you though.Don't flatter yourself, there is no offer coming your way. :) The objectof engineering is to keep things as simple as possible, you seem toalways complicate every issue. The complete opposite of how I work.

Always nice to hear from an actual Engineer.
How many holes & features can you just leave out?

BTW, I saw someone (you?) post that Silicone Rubber
or Latex molds are the best thing to use for slip casting
clay parts.

What about other materials, like Plaster? No good, eh?
Why? I'd think you could apply a heavy coating of paint or
wax or something to them first, right? That would keep
the plaster from getting damp, right?
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Cliff

[Cliff Huprich]

On Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:56:39 GMT, Michael <gailey@frontiernet.net>
wrote:
BTW, Where are the pictures from?Did my disclaimer confuse you, sorry about that, here it is again.http://www.microsystemsgeorgia.com/toc.htmAll images posted on this website are either the Copyrighted materialsbelonging to ©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com or images ofactual parts modeled, machined, drawn by©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com or products used and promoted byMicroSystemsGeorgia.comCopyright 2003-2004Further use or duplication of any images posted on©MicroSystemsGeorgia.com is forbidden.

That's good.
As long as they are not actual parts belonging
to actual customers made to actual designs (or
actually made), but just pictures of stuff from somewhere.
Use Google much to find such?

How long have you been an advertising professional?
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Cliff