Cannot delete some layers in R14

[Julien]

Hi,

I received a file with about 280 layers and just need a few of them.
I cannot delete most of the layers. Thanks for any help.

What I did :
1)made all layers visibles, excepted those I wanted to keep
2)selected all elements in them
3)exploded elements, and repeated this many times
4)deleted all elements I could
5)closed the DWG, reopened it, purged it and saved the purged file.

After all those operations, I still cannot delete some layers.

The DWG requires some .shx file at opening. What is this reference file ?
What should I do ?

Thanks in advance.
Julien

[Paul Turvill]

Does the drawing have floating viewports in Paper Space? If so, any layers
that are frozen in any viewports (as with the VPLAYER command) will be
"referenced," and therefore not purgeable. To change this situation, you'll
need to thaw all empty layers in all viewports, then PURGE again.

The missing .shx file may be one that was used by the drawing's creator for
either text or shapes, and may be referenced by one or more complex linetype
definitions. You should ask whoever sent you the file to also supply the
missing .shx file.
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"Julien" <JulienRouiller@yahoo.fr> wrote in message
news:86e1952b.0501171216.26661cb5@posting.google.com... I received a file with about 280 layers and just need a few of them. I cannot delete most of the layers. Thanks for any help. What I did : 1)made all layers visibles, excepted those I wanted to keep 2)selected all elements in them 3)exploded elements, and repeated this many times 4)deleted all elements I could 5)closed the DWG, reopened it, purged it and saved the purged file. After all those operations, I still cannot delete some layers. The DWG requires some .shx file at opening. What is this reference file ? What should I do ?

[Pete]

Paul, I was wondering if WBLOCK > entire drawing, would take only the layers
containing entities and leave the "unused" ones behind.


"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
news:W_mdnYrI9cppvHHcRVn-sA@whidbeytel.com... Does the drawing have floating viewports in Paper Space? If so, any layers that are frozen in any viewports (as with the VPLAYER command) will be "referenced," and therefore not purgeable. To change this situation, you'll need to thaw all empty layers in all viewports, then PURGE again. The missing .shx file may be one that was used by the drawing's creator for either text or shapes, and may be referenced by one or more complex linetype definitions. You should ask whoever sent you the file to also supply the missing .shx file. ___ "Julien" <JulienRouiller@yahoo.fr> wrote in message news:86e1952b.0501171216.26661cb5@posting.google.com... I received a file with about 280 layers and just need a few of them. I cannot delete most of the layers. Thanks for any help. What I did : 1)made all layers visibles, excepted those I wanted to keep 2)selected all elements in them 3)exploded elements, and repeated this many times 4)deleted all elements I could 5)closed the DWG, reopened it, purged it and saved the purged file. After all those operations, I still cannot delete some layers. The DWG requires some .shx file at opening. What is this reference file ? What should I do ?

[Paul Turvill]

No. WBLOCKing the entire drawing saves paper space as well as model space,
and retains the frozen/thawed properties of layers in PS viewports.
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"Pete" <archer1157@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Ye_Gd.5704$1l2.850@trndny05... Paul, I was wondering if WBLOCK > entire drawing, would take only the layers containing entities and leave the "unused" ones behind.

[Michael Bulatovich]

You lose the Pspace stuff when you WBLOCK
a file with pspace stuff in it. You have to make two wblocks to recreate
the original file in such a case.

Pete's method will quickly rid him of those pesky layers.
--


MichaelB
www.michaelbulatovich.com

"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
news:cP-dnU17ZPMM7HHcRVn-pA@whidbeytel.com... No. WBLOCKing the entire drawing saves paper space as well as model space, and retains the frozen/thawed properties of layers in PS viewports. ___ "Pete" <archer1157@verizon.net> wrote in message news:Ye_Gd.5704$1l2.850@trndny05... Paul, I was wondering if WBLOCK > entire drawing, would take only the layers containing entities and leave the "unused" ones behind.

[Paul Turvill]

No, you do not. Try it.

WBLOCKing the *entire drawing* creates a duplicate drawing file, both PS and
MS. You lose objects in the "other" space *only* if you select specific
objects in Model Space or Paper Space to WBLOCK. As I said, try it.
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:4I_Gd.10818$K03.430759@news20.bellglobal.com... You lose the Pspace stuff when you WBLOCK

[Michael Bulatovich]

I did. Opened a new file.
Inserted a file which has Pspace and modelspace entities,
and only the modelspace appears. Even tried inserting
the file INTO paperspace. Only the modelspace appears.
It has always been this way in my experience, and
I only tried it because you said it was otherwise.

What version are you talking about? R14 here.

"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
news:67WdncPISsiEOnHcRVn-oQ@whidbeytel.com... No, you do not. Try it. WBLOCKing the *entire drawing* creates a duplicate drawing file, both PS
and MS. You lose objects in the "other" space *only* if you select specific objects in Model Space or Paper Space to WBLOCK. As I said, try it. ___ "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message news:4I_Gd.10818$K03.430759@news20.bellglobal.com... You lose the Pspace stuff when you WBLOCK

[Martin Shoemaker]

Michael,

The key word is "all". In 2004 you have options in the Wblock popup for
Block, Entire drawing, or Objects. If Objects is selected you get
only the space that you select objects in, but if you select "Entire
drawing" you get everything. There's also '*' for "whole drawing" in
the command line version of the Wblock command.

Martin



Michael Bulatovich wrote: I did. Opened a new file. Inserted a file which has Pspace and modelspace entities, and only the modelspace appears. Even tried inserting the file INTO paperspace. Only the modelspace appears. It has always been this way in my experience, and I only tried it because you said it was otherwise. What version are you talking about? R14 here. "Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message news:67WdncPISsiEOnHcRVn-oQ@whidbeytel.com...No, you do not. Try it.WBLOCKing the *entire drawing* creates a duplicate drawing file, both PS andMS. You lose objects in the "other" space *only* if you select specificobjects in Model Space or Paper Space to WBLOCK. As I said, try it.___"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in messagenews:4I_Gd.10818$K03.430759@news20.bellglobal.com...You lose the Pspace stuff when you WBLOCK

[Michael Bulatovich]

Thanks Martin.
So it's true since 2004.

"Martin Shoemaker" <hmspe@cableaz.com> wrote in message
news:41ed24e0$1_3@newsfeed.slurp.net... Michael, The key word is "all". In 2004 you have options in the Wblock popup for Block, Entire drawing, or Objects. If Objects is selected you get only the space that you select objects in, but if you select "Entire drawing" you get everything. There's also '*' for "whole drawing" in the command line version of the Wblock command. Martin Michael Bulatovich wrote: I did. Opened a new file. Inserted a file which has Pspace and modelspace entities, and only the modelspace appears. Even tried inserting the file INTO paperspace. Only the modelspace appears. It has always been this way in my experience, and I only tried it because you said it was otherwise. What version are you talking about? R14 here. "Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message news:67WdncPISsiEOnHcRVn-oQ@whidbeytel.com...No, you do not. Try it.WBLOCKing the *entire drawing* creates a duplicate drawing file, both PS andMS. You lose objects in the "other" space *only* if you select specificobjects in Model Space or Paper Space to WBLOCK. As I said, try it.___"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in messagenews:4I_Gd.10818$K03.430759@news20.bellglobal.com...>You lose the Pspace stuff when you WBLOCK

[Paul Turvill]

I didn't say you could *INSERT* both MS and PS entities, but you *can*
WBLOCK both to a new file. Big difference.
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:b88Hd.13072$K03.510411@news20.bellglobal.com...I did. Opened a new file. Inserted a file which has Pspace and modelspace entities

[Paul Turvill]

No, it's true since R14 and before. Before the WBLOCK dialog version was
introduced (2000 or 2000i) all you had to do was to respond with an asterisk
(*) when prompted for the Block Name. This forced an "entire drawing"
WBLOCK. The dialog only makes the process a bit more intuitive.

Again, we're talking about *creating* a WBLOCKed file, not *inserting* one.
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:3raHd.13235$K03.524826@news20.bellglobal.com... Thanks Martin. So it's true since 2004.

[Michael Bulatovich]

Well, you right again. From the Help:

In the Create Drawing File dialog box, enter the name of the output file in
the File Name box.

Block name: Enter the name of an existing block, enter =, enter *, or press
ENTER

Entering the name of an existing block writes that block to a file. You
cannot enter the name of an external reference (xref) or one of its
dependent blocks.
Entering an equal sign (=) specifies that the existing block and the output
file have the same name. If no block of that name exists in the drawing,
AutoCAD redisplays the Block Name prompt.
Entering an asterisk (*) writes the entire drawing to the new output file,
except for unreferenced symbols. AutoCAD writes model space objects to model
space and paper space objects to paper space.

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I admit I'm still stumped by the equal sign part above. Do you get it?
What's "the existing block" mean? Will it redefine the existing insertions
in the drawing while wblocking out?


"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
news:dNSdneF6JJl0pXDcRVn-qQ@whidbeytel.com... No, it's true since R14 and before. Before the WBLOCK dialog version was introduced (2000 or 2000i) all you had to do was to respond with an
asterisk (*) when prompted for the Block Name. This forced an "entire drawing" WBLOCK. The dialog only makes the process a bit more intuitive. Again, we're talking about *creating* a WBLOCKed file, not *inserting*
one. ___ "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message news:3raHd.13235$K03.524826@news20.bellglobal.com... Thanks Martin. So it's true since 2004.

[Paul Turvill]

When you launch the command line version of the WBLOCK command, the first
thing that happens is that you're prompted for a file name. If, after
entering a file name, you enter = at the Block Name: prompt, AutoCAD
searches the drawing for a block having the same name as the file you just
specified. If it finds one, it writes it to that file; if no block with that
name exists, then it redisplays the Block Name: prompt; you can then enter
either a valid block name, or * to write out the entire current drawing.
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:w7dHd.39541$W33.810338@news20.bellglobal.com... I admit I'm still stumped by the equal sign part above. Do you get it? What's "the existing block" mean? Will it redefine the existing insertions in the drawing while wblocking out?

[Michael Bulatovich]

Not as a self-referential one, I hope.
I've always wondered what that second prompt
for a block name was for.....

"Paul Turvill" <nospam@turvill.com> wrote in message
news:f6GdnaLEKa3JA3DcRVn-sA@whidbeytel.com... When you launch the command line version of the WBLOCK command, the first thing that happens is that you're prompted for a file name. If, after entering a file name, you enter = at the Block Name: prompt, AutoCAD searches the drawing for a block having the same name as the file you just specified. If it finds one, it writes it to that file; "Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message news:w7dHd.39541$W33.810338@news20.bellglobal.com... I admit I'm still stumped by the equal sign part above. Do you get it? What's "the existing block" mean? Will it redefine the existing
insertions in the drawing while wblocking out?

[Paul Turvill]

I think it's just designed to prevent you from having to type the same
sequence of characters (name of block you want to save) twice. You just have
to know to enter the block name when prompted for the File Name, then just =
when prompted for the Block Name. It won't be self-referential, since the
block is saved as an ordinary .dwg file containing the *objects* making up
the block, and not the block itself. The block *definition* remains in the
original open drawing, and is not carried over to the WBLOCKed file in this
case.
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"Michael Bulatovich" <Please@dont.try> wrote in message
news:dGiHd.42237$W33.912632@news20.bellglobal.com... Not as a self-referential one, I hope.