Crashing piece o' crap...

[Al Bundy]

Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up
to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?

I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP
Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.

After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual,
it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a
dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines,
layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".

EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is
because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than
Adobe Illustrator.

Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to
get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.

[Lon Stowell]

Approximately 9/27/03 19:05, Phrederik uttered for posterity: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?

Actually it isn't that bad since roughly Corel 7 as long as you
make sure your video drivers can handle it. I regularly run
Corel Paint and/or Draw for hours on end with never a problem
and or need to reboot the system. However I am a bit careful
about Crapware on the system, since I need it to run Corel.
Only time Corel takes a dive is when running something like
SnifferPro or Ethereal on the same machine at the same time
as Corel.

EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.

You might want to adjust the UserAttitudeDetector in the
Corel preferences. Since you have had so much trouble with
every version, try setting the "Masochist" setting to 1 or 0.
Then set the HotHeadSensitivity to 9 or 10.
HTH.

[Al Bundy]

"Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message
news:1Frdb.356949$2x.110882@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... Approximately 9/27/03 19:05, Phrederik uttered for posterity: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0
up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? Actually it isn't that bad since roughly Corel 7 as long as you make sure your video drivers can handle it. I regularly run Corel Paint and/or Draw for hours on end with never a problem and or need to reboot the system. However I am a bit careful about Crapware on the system, since I need it to run Corel. Only time Corel takes a dive is when running something like SnifferPro or Ethereal on the same machine at the same time as Corel.

Unfortunately, we can't afford to dedicate one PC for every application we
run.
EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it
is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical
than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take
to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it
work. You might want to adjust the UserAttitudeDetector in the Corel preferences. Since you have had so much trouble with every version, try setting the "Masochist" setting to 1 or 0. Then set the HotHeadSensitivity to 9 or 10. HTH.

LOL! I know... It's just frustrating to lose work for no good reason.

I've also had documents that would refuse to print. I'd choose PRINT and
nothing would happen. If I selected all objects and COPY'd them, then pasted
to a new document, printing would be fine. Then there's the occasions when
it just does not redraw properly so I have to save, close and restart Corel
and everything seems normal.

....anyhow, back to the drawing board (literally!)

[Al Bundy]

"Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:SLrdb.24993$O85.3284@pd7tw1no... "Lon Stowell" <LonDot.Stowell@ComcastPeriod.Net> wrote in message news:1Frdb.356949$2x.110882@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net... Approximately 9/27/03 19:05, Phrederik uttered for posterity: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used
4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? Actually it isn't that bad since roughly Corel 7 as long as you make sure your video drivers can handle it. I regularly run Corel Paint and/or Draw for hours on end with never a problem and or need to reboot the system. However I am a bit careful about Crapware on the system, since I need it to run Corel. Only time Corel takes a dive is when running something like SnifferPro or Ethereal on the same machine at the same time as Corel. Unfortunately, we can't afford to dedicate one PC for every application we run. EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use
it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work. You might want to adjust the UserAttitudeDetector in the Corel preferences. Since you have had so much trouble with every version, try setting the "Masochist" setting to 1 or 0. Then set the HotHeadSensitivity to 9 or 10. HTH. LOL! I know... It's just frustrating to lose work for no good reason. I've also had documents that would refuse to print. I'd choose PRINT and nothing would happen. If I selected all objects and COPY'd them, then
pasted to a new document, printing would be fine. Then there's the occasions when it just does not redraw properly so I have to save, close and restart
Corel and everything seems normal. ...anyhow, back to the drawing board (literally!)

....and to make matters worse, I redid the drawing... It's done. Then BLAM...
ARM pops up. I save the work. I can reload the file, but I have a missing
linked object. The missing object are the dimension lines for a dimension.
The dimension is still there, but Corel crashes every time I click on it. I
can't delete it and don't see any way to fix the file. I can import the CDR
into PAINT without a problem... why can't DRAW fix the drawing???

*sigh*

[Ghaskar]

"Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no... Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as
usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about
a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension
lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.
Utter nonsense. If a number of different versions of Corel have proved
unstable on your machine when hordes of people are using them every day then
the fault most likely lies in either your PC or on a conflict with some pet
application which you are loading to each new installation.

Corel is not to blame for your difficulties.
Try shutting down all the other threads that are operating while you are
using it. You'll find that you won't see the ARM again for several months,
if ever.

Have you all the patches for 11?
Did you think it wise to leap for 11 before the final build came out instead
of staying with the superb version 9 until it did?
Do you really _like_ Windows XP ? I think Corel loaded to W2000 is more
stable.

_Apply_ yourself man!

Ghaskar.

[Xemn]

Using Window 98 I get that all the time, but that's because Win98 leaks memory
bad. I recently bought a program called MemTurbo that clears all the crap out of
memory whenever you need it. Nothing crashes now.

Phrederik wrote:
Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.

[Brendan R. Wehrung]

"Phrederik" (postmaster@127.0.0.1) writes: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.


I'll give you $10 for CD 11 if you want to dump it that badly. I'm still
happily using 8 and don't have the crash problems you seemed to have
passed through, version by version, on your way to 11, but that was after
I added sufficient memory. Before, yes, blue-screen city.

Brendan
--

[tbritches]

"Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:
Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.

Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability....


--
tb

It is always possible that unknown to myself I am up to my neck in
quicksand and sinking fast.
Sidney Coleman

[Goldmund]

"tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4... "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work. Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... tb

How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's
no mention of it as CARM.

[DE]

Goldmund wrote: "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4..."Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote innews:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine runningWinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and asusual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawingexcept about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a halfdozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I useit is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly andlogical than Adobe Illustrator.Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it taketo get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make itwork.Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability....tb How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's no mention of it as CARM.

tb is a WP user, and *WE* can turn CARM off. To the best of my
understanding, Draw users don't have that luxury.

But I agree with others, if it's so unstable with you, there is an
underlying problem or else you haven't applied any service packs to CD
at all.

--
DE
mailto:newsgroups@intranet-works.com

[daytripper]

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 19:11:00 +0000 (UTC), "Goldmund"
<studentofwaldzell@fsnet.com> wrote:
"tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in messagenews:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4... Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... tbHow do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there'sno mention of it as CARM.

Rerun the installer, and this time through, deselect CARM (or whatever that
spooge is called)...

[ah]

Goldmund wrote:
"tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4... "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work. Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... tb How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's no mention of it as CARM.

In DRAW v.11:

Menu > Tools > Options (or just 'Ctrl+J'), and pick 'Global' from the list at
the left . . . remove the 'check' from "Enable CARM"

One side-effect of doing this is that, if there is an untenable problem, DRAW
will just teleport into a wormhole, and everything you did after the last
Save/Export Workspace/etc. will be lost.
--
ah

[Sandy Menor]

DE wrote: Goldmund wrote: "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4... "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:> Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used> 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?>> I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running> WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.>> After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as> usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing> except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half> dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled> 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".>> EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use> it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and> logical than Adobe Illustrator.>> Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take> to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it> work. Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... tb How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's no mention of it as CARM. tb is a WP user, and *WE* can turn CARM off. To the best of my understanding, Draw users don't have that luxury. But I agree with others, if it's so unstable with you, there is an underlying problem or else you haven't applied any service packs to CD at all.

Go to Options/Workspace/Global and uncheck the box that says "Enable
CARM". You still have a bigger problem than CARM. CARM is only there to
help you save your work when your system crashes. It doesn't cause the
problem. You have something in your system that is causing the problem
and it is normally video drivers.

--
Sandy

The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
Henry Cate VII

[tbritches]

Sandy Menor <gsprinting@aol.com> wrote in
news:blj4sb$csv2l$1@ID-130475.news.uni-berlin.de:
DE wrote: Goldmund wrote: "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4...> "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in> news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:>>>> Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've>> used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?>>>> I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine>> running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.>>>> After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and>> as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the>> drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency>> and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11>> page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".>>>> EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I>> use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more>> friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator.>>>> Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it>> take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just>> can't make it work.>>> Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... tb How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's no mention of it as CARM. tb is a WP user, and *WE* can turn CARM off. To the best of my understanding, Draw users don't have that luxury. But I agree with others, if it's so unstable with you, there is an underlying problem or else you haven't applied any service packs to CD at all. Go to Options/Workspace/Global and uncheck the box that says "Enable CARM". You still have a bigger problem than CARM. CARM is only there to help you save your work when your system crashes. It doesn't cause the problem. You have something in your system that is causing the problem and it is normally video drivers.

After the video drivers, restart the machine in safe mode (Win98's name,
not sure what it is in XP). See how it works there. You may also have an
interaction with another program.

--
tb

It is always possible that unknown to myself I am up to my neck in
quicksand and sinking fast.
Sidney Coleman

[Al Bundy]

"tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4... "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no: Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap? I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory. After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4". EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and logical than Adobe Illustrator. Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it work.
Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability....

Because it doesn't stop the crash, it only stops the popup that tells you
that there was a crash and then gives you an opportunity to save the
corrupted workspace. I don't know why - you can't use it without causing
more crashes.

....as for it being a bad driver, I've using NVidia v 45.23.

I've never had another program crash so often (about 40% of the time) as the
Corel products. Adobe's stuff never crashes. My programming apps don't
crash. Games all work fine.

[DE]

Phrederik wrote: "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4..."Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote innews:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine runningWinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and asusual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawingexcept about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a halfdozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I useit is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly andlogical than Adobe Illustrator.Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it taketo get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make itwork.Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability.... Because it doesn't stop the crash, it only stops the popup that tells you that there was a crash and then gives you an opportunity to save the corrupted workspace. I don't know why - you can't use it without causing more crashes. ...as for it being a bad driver, I've using NVidia v 45.23. I've never had another program crash so often (about 40% of the time) as the Corel products. Adobe's stuff never crashes. My programming apps don't crash. Games all work fine.

Nvidia's drivers are *notoriously* problematic for FAR more than CorelDraw.

Drop your acceleration some, check for updated drivers, and don't push
the drivers to their limits where they are poorly tested & unreliable.

IIRC, CD also has some program-specific performance settings that may
help you stabilize it.


Try reading the MS WinXP groups -- nvidia driver updates are by far the
most frequently cited as causing instability in systems.

--
DE
mailto:newsgroups@intranet-works.com

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

DE wrote: Nvidia's drivers are *notoriously* problematic for FAR more than CorelDraw. Drop your acceleration some, check for updated drivers, and don't push the drivers to their limits where they are poorly tested & unreliable.

To be precise: use version 44.68, the stablest so far.

--
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollar and cents
Pounds shillings and pence
(Roger Waters)

[G]

"Sandy Menor" <gsprinting@aol.com> wrote in message
news:blj4sb$csv2l$1@ID-130475.news.uni-berlin.de... DE wrote: Goldmund wrote: "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4...> "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in> news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:>>>> Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used>> 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?>>>> I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running>> WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.>>>> After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and as>> usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing>> except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half>> dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled>> 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".>>>> EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I use>> it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and>> logical than Adobe Illustrator.>>>> Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it
take>> to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make
it>> work.>>> Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability....> tb How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but there's no mention of it as CARM. tb is a WP user, and *WE* can turn CARM off. To the best of my understanding, Draw users don't have that luxury. But I agree with others, if it's so unstable with you, there is an underlying problem or else you haven't applied any service packs to CD at all. Go to Options/Workspace/Global and uncheck the box that says "Enable CARM". You still have a bigger problem than CARM. CARM is only there to help you save your work when your system crashes. It doesn't cause the problem. You have something in your system that is causing the problem and it is normally video drivers. Sandy

Problem for me is that when it turns up, whereas I know it's saying "Save in
another file and restart etc" it will never let me save. "Save" won't
function and I can't get past the CARM. I have to click on "Close". I've
developed the habit (it's more of a twitch now of hitting Ctrl+S every so
often. That's workable.
I'm knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing.

G.

[Annie Keitz]

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:40:20 +0000 (UTC), "G" <falasha@btopenworld.com>
wrote:
Problem for me is that when it turns up, whereas I know it's saying "Save inanother file and restart etc" it will never let me save. "Save" won'tfunction and I can't get past the CARM. I have to click on "Close". I'vedeveloped the habit (it's more of a twitch now of hitting Ctrl+S every sooften. That's workable.I'm knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing.

But it's clearly a video driver problem. Trust me. I went through
such misery with a bad batch of IBM's at work 3 years ago. The video
driver would cause all sorts of programs to suddenly crash -- the
computer would freeze up and you couldn't even shut down.


Annie Keitz
keitz@his.com

[Sandy Menor]

Annie Keitz wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:40:20 +0000 (UTC), "G" <falasha@btopenworld.com> wrote:Problem for me is that when it turns up, whereas I know it's saying "Save inanother file and restart etc" it will never let me save. "Save" won'tfunction and I can't get past the CARM. I have to click on "Close". I'vedeveloped the habit (it's more of a twitch now of hitting Ctrl+S every sooften. That's workable.I'm knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. But it's clearly a video driver problem. Trust me. I went through such misery with a bad batch of IBM's at work 3 years ago. The video driver would cause all sorts of programs to suddenly crash -- the computer would freeze up and you couldn't even shut down. Annie Keitz keitz@his.com

Thanks, Annie, for the moral support. I've found that the video card you
use and the driver versions can cause no end of headaches. I switched to
a 3D Labs Oxygen card a couple of years ago and still use it (32 MB) and
no problems. It was worth a couple extra bucks to avoid all the suffering.

--
Sandy

The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
Henry Cate VII

[ah]

Sandy Menor wrote:
Annie Keitz wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 23:40:20 +0000 (UTC), "G" <falasha@btopenworld.com> wrote:Problem for me is that when it turns up, whereas I know it's saying "Save inanother file and restart etc" it will never let me save. "Save" won'tfunction and I can't get past the CARM. I have to click on "Close". I'vedeveloped the habit (it's more of a twitch now of hitting Ctrl+S every sooften. That's workable.I'm knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. But it's clearly a video driver problem. Trust me. I went through such misery with a bad batch of IBM's at work 3 years ago. The video driver would cause all sorts of programs to suddenly crash -- the computer would freeze up and you couldn't even shut down. Thanks, Annie, for the moral support. I've found that the video card you use and the driver versions can cause no end of headaches. I switched to a 3D Labs Oxygen card a couple of years ago and still use it (32 MB) and no problems. It was worth a couple extra bucks to avoid all the suffering.

Great cards . . . I concurr ;-)
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ah

[Steve Caple]

I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always
seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance
over stability. Good for games, perhaps.

[DE]

Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps.

In the offices of one of my clients, 4 atty's each went to multiple
monitors at various times. We pulled the nvidia cards that came with
their Dell systems, and went with the Matrox G450 dual-heads ... and all
four are incredibly stable.

Of course, as someone noted on a WP group a while back, Matrox is very
aggressive about fixing driver problems once they know about them.
nvidia has had a whole string of unresolved problems, and as I mentioned
before, one of the most common reasons for frequent crashes that you'll
find on the MS WinXP newsgroups relates to updating nvidia drivers.


While I might agree that SOME CD versions are not 100% stable, when
there has been a problem for this long a time over so many versions of
the program, it should be clear that the underlying issue is not the
software (which has undergone major changes over that period of time,
and works well for others) but rather the configuration. Probably the
most common reason for crashes, whether in CD or WP or Word or
Powerpoint etc., is just cranking up the video to extremes (acceleration
+ color depth + refresh rate) where the drivers are only marginally
tested. In fact, I can cite article after article from the MS Knowledge
Base that recommends as an early step to troubleshooting instability
just bringing down the video acceleration a notch or two; that's often
all it takes.

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DE

[Wim]

DE wrote: Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps. In the offices of one of my clients, 4 atty's each went to multiple monitors at various times. We pulled the nvidia cards that came with their Dell systems, and went with the Matrox G450 dual-heads ... and all four are incredibly stable.

Dual head stable attorneys, there is still hope for all the others too
..

Wim

[Peter]

DE wrote:

In the offices of one of my clients, 4 atty's each went to multiple monitors at various times.

That way they can work on multiple matters at the same time and justify
multiple billing.

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Peter

[DE]

Wim wrote: DE wrote: Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps. In the offices of one of my clients, 4 atty's each went to multiple monitors at various times. We pulled the nvidia cards that came with their Dell systems, and went with the Matrox G450 dual-heads ... and all four are incredibly stable. Dual head stable attorneys, there is still hope for all the others too . Wim

All four SYSTEMS are stable ... I can't vouch for the attorneys!

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DE

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps.

Not that good either, actually. If you followed alt.corel even just
slightly, you might have noticed a couple of links of "cheatos"
nVidia used to pretend its performance was higher than it actually
was.

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Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollar and cents
Pounds shillings and pence
(Roger Waters)

[ah]

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote: Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps. Not that good either, actually. If you followed alt.corel even just slightly, you might have noticed a couple of links of "cheatos" nVidia used to pretend its performance was higher than it actually was.

That was quite a chameleon in the demo.
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[G]

"G" <falasha@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bll1d3$4ol$1@titan.btinternet.com... "Sandy Menor" <gsprinting@aol.com> wrote in message news:blj4sb$csv2l$1@ID-130475.news.uni-berlin.de... DE wrote: Goldmund wrote:> "tbritches" <tbritches@myrealbox.com> wrote in message> news:Xns94066465EA014tbmrb@130.133.1.4...>>> "Phrederik" <postmaster@127.0.0.1> wrote in>> news:Klrdb.34652$I36.4447@pd7tw3no:>>>>>>> Why is it that EVERY version of Corel Draw I've used (and I've used>>> 4.0 up to 11) is a crashing piece of crap?>>>>>> I'm currently running Corel Draw 11 on a 1.3Ghz AMD machine running>>> WinXP Pro with 512meg of DDR memory.>>>>>> After 15 minutes of usage I just got the Corel ARM popping up, and
as>>> usual, it didn't save my document. There was nothing in the drawing>>> except about a dozen rectangles, all at 50% transparency and a half>>> dozen dimension lines, layed out on a landscape 8.5x11 page, scaled>>> 1"=1' with a grid every 1/4".>>>>>> EVERY version of Corel Draw has been unstable. The only reason I
use>>> it is because I like the interface. It seems much more friendly and>>> logical than Adobe Illustrator.>>>>>> Well... that's it for me. I give up on this junk. I'll do what it take>>> to get comfortable with Adobe's stuff because Corel just can't make it>>> work.>>>>>> Why not just turn CARM off? Does a lot for stability....>> tb>>>> How do I go about doing that, please? I've searched the manual but> there's> no mention of it as CARM.>> tb is a WP user, and *WE* can turn CARM off. To the best of my understanding, Draw users don't have that luxury. But I agree with others, if it's so unstable with you, there is an underlying problem or else you haven't applied any service packs to CD at all. Go to Options/Workspace/Global and uncheck the box that says "Enable CARM". You still have a bigger problem than CARM. CARM is only there to help you save your work when your system crashes. It doesn't cause the problem. You have something in your system that is causing the problem and it is normally video drivers. Sandy Problem for me is that when it turns up, whereas I know it's saying "Save
in another file and restart etc" it will never let me save. "Save" won't function and I can't get past the CARM. I have to click on "Close". I've developed the habit (it's more of a twitch now of hitting Ctrl+S every so often. That's workable. I'm * knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. G.
* I'm _NOT_ knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. Sorry about that. I'm
a True Believer, honestly. Just a typo. No fatwah please.

[Giuseppe Bilotta]

G wrote: "G" <falasha@btopenworld.com> wrote in message news:bll1d3$4ol$1@titan.btinternet.com... I'm * knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. G. * I'm _NOT_ knocking Corel by the way. It's amazing. Sorry about that. I'm a True Believer, honestly. Just a typo. No fatwah please.

We are very tolerant. We wouldn't have killed you slowly anyway ;)

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Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

Can't you see
It all makes perfect sense
Expressed in dollar and cents
Pounds shillings and pence
(Roger Waters)

[Annie Keitz]

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:04:24 GMT, DE <nowhere@all.disorg> wrote:
Steve Caple wrote: I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps.In the offices of one of my clients, 4 atty's each went to multiplemonitors at various times. We pulled the nvidia cards that came withtheir Dell systems, and went with the Matrox G450 dual-heads ... and allfour are incredibly stable.

I've used Matrox cards for years and I swear by them not at them! They
are rock solid and yes it's because they to take the time and care to
write good drivers.


Annie Keitz
keitz@his.com

[Al Bundy]

"Steve Caple" <emilylitella@nevermindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.19e80ad6723423ec9896b8@netnews.comcast.net... I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has always seemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performance over stability. Good for games, perhaps.

Any comments on ATI's current driver situation?

We are replacing all of our machines at the end of the year and are planning
on whatever the current technology offers at the time in a P4 system with
decent video performance.

[DE]

Phrederik wrote: "Steve Caple" <emilylitella@nevermindspring.com> wrote in message news:MPG.19e80ad6723423ec9896b8@netnews.comcast.net...I've never had any problems with a Matrox 450, either. nVidia has alwaysseemed to me to put gamer stuff first, and bus apps second, or performanceover stability. Good for games, perhaps. Any comments on ATI's current driver situation? We are replacing all of our machines at the end of the year and are planning on whatever the current technology offers at the time in a P4 system with decent video performance.

ATI's support for their "special" models that they provide to OEMs is
NON-EXISTENT; got a problem, they don't care and won't even discuss it
with you. And ATI Radeon is worth the el-cheapo price, if you get my drift.

nvidia is better than ATI these days (and I USED to be an ATI fan.)
nvidia's biggest problem is that people push their boards to extremes,
where the drivers are poorly tested ... or update or don't udpate
drivers to unstable/badly-tested versions. In general, if you get the
driver right and DON'T update it from Windows update, nvidia cards can
be just fine, esp. when you're talking about an "office" as opposed to
gaming systems.

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DE
mailto:newsgroups@intranet-works.com

[Martin]

DE wrote:
ATI's support for their "special" models that they provide to OEMs is NON-EXISTENT; got a problem, they don't care and won't even discuss it with you. And ATI Radeon is worth the el-cheapo price, if you get my drift. nvidia is better than ATI these days (and I USED to be an ATI fan.) nvidia's biggest problem is that people push their boards to extremes, where the drivers are poorly tested ... or update or don't udpate drivers to unstable/badly-tested versions. In general, if you get the driver right and DON'T update it from Windows update, nvidia cards can be just fine, esp. when you're talking about an "office" as opposed to gaming systems.


After my Hercules cards I never used anything but Matrox cards. Never
had graphics related problems I could not solve.


FWIW
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20031002161856.html
"
NVIDIA Owned 73% of Professional Market in Q2 2003!
In the general professional market – both 2D and 3D – NVIDIA’s share is
73%, ATI Technologies’ – 13%, 3Dlabs’ – 4% and other companies, such as
Matrox, Appian, HP and so on, occupy 9% of the market.

In the 3D segment of the market NVIDIA holds its crown with 67%, ATI is
the second with ATI 24% and 3Dlabs manages to hold 9% of the market. It
is interesting to note that according to IDC professional 3D market grew
10% quarter-over-quarter in terms of units.

NVIDIA also scored the 2D market in the second quarter: the firm owns
53% share, while Matrox has the second spot with only 19%, while other
companies, primarily ATI Technologies and Appian, occupy 28%. In the Q2
the professional 2D market saw growth of more than 17% quarter-over-quarter.
"
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Martin

[EW]

DE wrote:
ATI's support for their "special" models that they provide to OEMs is NON-EXISTENT; got a problem, they don't care and won't even discuss it with you. And ATI Radeon is worth the el-cheapo price, if you get my drift. nvidia is better than ATI these days (and I USED to be an ATI fan.) nvidia's biggest problem is that people push their boards to extremes, where the drivers are poorly tested ... or update or don't udpate drivers to unstable/badly-tested versions. In general, if you get the driver right and DON'T update it from Windows update, nvidia cards can be just fine, esp. when you're talking about an "office" as opposed to gaming systems.

Shame on you Debra!

You don't pillory a company for not supporting a product when you
didn't pay for support of it. That's why OEM cards are
inexpensive, they are sold to the OEM without support from the
manufacturer.

Would you howl to Intel - or even call them - when a motherboard
built by AOpen using Intel chipsets didn't work as you expected?
How much support does Corel provide to purchasers of OEM versions
of Corel Office?

My Mercury Villager van came with a Sony CD drive and a Nissan
engine. When the CD drive failed, Ford looked after it not Sony.
The Nissan engine needed replacement (due to Nissan's improper
programming of their NC milling machine), it was Ford who made it
good by replacing the engine.

An Asus nVidia chipset video card is supported by Asus, not
nVidia. Why should you expect ATI to support cards they didn't
sell as their banded and supported units?

If you want ATI support, buy a "built by ATI" video card - then
they will support it.

Don't you think you've been grossly unfair in your comment?

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.... Erik, via Knode on Libranet 2.8.1

[EW]

Martin wrote:
FWIW http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20031002161856.html " NVIDIA Owned 73% of Professional Market in Q2 2003! In the general professional market ? both 2D and 3D ? NVIDIA?s share is 73%, ATI Technologies? ? 13%, 3Dlabs? ? 4% and other companies, such as Matrox, Appian, HP and so on, occupy 9% of the market. In the 3D segment of the market NVIDIA holds its crown with 67%, ATI is the second with ATI 24% and 3Dlabs manages to hold 9% of the market. It is interesting to note that according to IDC professional 3D market grew 10% quarter-over-quarter in terms of units. NVIDIA also scored the 2D market in the second quarter: the firm owns 53% share, while Matrox has the second spot with only 19%, while other companies, primarily ATI Technologies and Appian, occupy 28%. In the Q2 the professional 2D market saw growth of more than 17% quarter-over-quarter.

Oddly enough, on Monday, Merrill Lynch downgraded nVidia shares to
a "sell" because ATI was gaining large slices of nVidia's market.
nVidia shares dropped with the announcement. See:

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030929/tech_nvidia_stocks_3.html

ATI shares rose.

The wise investor would have bought puts on ATI. ATI's shares
walked back on Friday after they reported solid quarterly
earnings.



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.... Erik, via Knode on Libranet 2.8.1