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Anonymous
08-14-2004, 09:25 PM
Mar. 30--Banks say that paying bills online is quicker, easier and more efficient than the old-fashioned way of writing checks and dropping them in the mail, but recently some Bank One Corp. customers have found the Internet method to be an expensive practice.
Chicago-based Bank One this month revised its online bill-paying policies. In many cases, that has resulted in money being taken out of customers' accounts several days sooner than in the past.
Some customers said they weren't aware a problem existed until after they were hit with overdraft fees because they allowed their balances to fall too low to cover their checks.
The new policy is taking the "float" -- the time between when a payment is made and when the person being paid actually collects the money -- from customers and giving it to the bank, some Bank One customers complain.
"They're taking the money out of my account days before the payee is actually getting any money. That's my gripe," said John Montgomery, 37, who became a customer at Bank One predecessor First Chicago a dozen years ago.
He is looking for a new bank for himself and his small business, angry at what he calls the bank's "continual nickel and diming of customers."
Customers were notified by e-mail that the changes were coming, said Bank One spokesman Tom Kelly.
When customers use a computer to pay bills to a company using electronic-fund transfers, the movement of cash is instantaneous, and no check is ever written.
The problem some customers have run in to is with electronic payments that involve the bank writing a check. In instances where the business being paid doesn't accept electronic-fund payments, Bank One writes a check that is mailed, Kelly said.
For electronic payments, the money generally has to be in the Bank One customer's account two days before that payment is due, he said. In cases where the bank has to write a check, the money has to be in the account five days before.
Bank One deducts the money from the customer's account, even though it is several days before the person being paid receives the cash.
Most checking accounts don't pay interest, so customers aren't losing any potential interest income by the money being withdrawn before the check clears, Kelly said.
Kelly said Bank One's new policy is similar to those other large banks have in place. That list includes Bank of America and LaSalle Bank.
Electronic payments make it easier for many customers to manage their money, and most realize that they shouldn't count on there being a number of days between when a check is written and when the money is taken from their account, said Betty Riess, Bank of America spokeswoman.
"When you think about it, when you write a check, you're supposed to have the money in your account," she said.
Bank One declined to release information on how many customers pay bills online, calling the information proprietary. But industry analysts say it is one of the fastest-growing segments of the banking business and estimate it will grow by 80 percent over the next five years.
But Montgomery won't be among the users -- for now.
Until he finds a new bank, Montgomery said he would go back to doing some of his banking the old-fashioned way.
"Just out of principle," he said. "I'll be writing checks."
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Han Broekman
08-15-2004, 03:12 AM
Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in news:adfe9e01d397ef0004644749baeef0a5
@ecn.org:
<big snip> <grin>
When I use my Citibank account to pay bills I have a choice: Either use
the absolutely free Citibank bilpay site, Direct Access to pay bills, or
use Quicken to pay bills from the same account. The latter is not free
($9.95/mo), unless you have a Citibank package called "everything counts"
account, which has high minimum balances ($10K if no securities are
involved, $20K if securities accounts are involved).
Direct Access takes the money out of my account when Citibank writes a
check, or EFT. With the Quicken method, it only leaves my account when
presented for payment at Citibank, i.e. after the check has been credited
by the payee.
HTH
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Best regards
Han
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Debbie Hay
08-15-2004, 10:43 PM
What happens if you are using Quicken billpay and the payee receives the
payment electronically? When is it drafted from your bank account?
For example, if I use my banks billpay service $5.95 (ugg), if the payee
receives it electronically, it appears on my online bank statement within 24
hours, if the payee receives a paper check, it will appear within 48 hours,
even though the payee will receive the check 3-7 days later.
"Han" <noone@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xns95464956DFEAikkezelf@130.81.64.196... Anonymous <cripto@ecn.org> wrote in news:adfe9e01d397ef0004644749baeef0a5 @ecn.org: <big snip> <grin> When I use my Citibank account to pay bills I have a choice: Either use the absolutely free Citibank bilpay site, Direct Access to pay bills, or use Quicken to pay bills from the same account. The latter is not free ($9.95/mo), unless you have a Citibank package called "everything counts" account, which has high minimum balances ($10K if no securities are involved, $20K if securities accounts are involved). Direct Access takes the money out of my account when Citibank writes a check, or EFT. With the Quicken method, it only leaves my account when presented for payment at Citibank, i.e. after the check has been credited by the payee. HTH -- Best regards Han email address is invalid
Han Broekman
08-16-2004, 03:19 AM
"Debbie Hay" <khoffman_98@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:CIYTc.23465$nx2.1092@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
What happens if you are using Quicken billpay and the payee receives the payment electronically? When is it drafted from your bank account? For example, if I use my banks billpay service $5.95 (ugg), if the payee receives it electronically, it appears on my online bank statement within 24 hours, if the payee receives a paper check, it will appear within 48 hours, even though the payee will receive the check 3-7 days later.
I think that the money leaves my account within 24 (business) hours of the
transaction.
Note that it is best (to avoid disputes with the payee) to perform the
transaction 3 business days ahead of any payee deadline. However, I have
been giving selected payees authorization to do an automatic withdrawal
from my checking account (or charge to my credit card) on the due date.
Some (I recall Home Depot) had to be reminded that this means that no late
fees and finance charges were to be assessed. Discover had the greatest
problem getting the automatic withdrawal set up correctly. They kept
promising that it was activated then didn't do the payment and insisted
they ahdn't told me it was activated. Now everything is fine though.
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Best regards
Han
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