Report Generator for Oracle and other RDBMS - beta testers needed

[Alex Molochnikov]

Hello everyone,

We are looking for beta-testers for our new product - Scribe Report
Generator. At this moment, Scribe supports 6 relational databases, including
Oracle, MS SQL Server 2000, and Sybase.

Very briefly: Scribe is written in Java, is based on visual programming and
can be extended by adding user-written Java classes; it comes with the API
library to let other Java-based apps run Scribe reports programmatically.

The details are on our website: www.gestalt.com/Scribe (temporary location).

User: guest
Password: star

We offer a free license to everyone who provides us with a feedback on bugs,
inconsistencies, or constructive criticism that helps us refine Scribe.

Please respond to: scribe<at>gestalt<dot>com

Regards,

Alex Molochnikov
Gestalt Corporation

[Daniel Morgan]

Alexandr Molochnikov wrote:
Hello everyone, We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -

You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
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[Charlie]

In article <1087601564.159105@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...Alexandr Molochnikov wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group.

Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking
"how do I do xyz?"

[Alex Molochnikov]

Thank you for coming out in my defence, but this is not necessary. Daniel
Moron already made a complete round asshole of himself by "combating" my
posts, while conveniently ignoring the real spam of "My little sister..."
type - because even an idiot like him is capable of realizing that real
spammers will never honor him with any kind of response.

Also, I made a resolution to never respond to any of those imbecils that are
not capable of doing creative work on their own, but cannot stand it in
others. However, I will (and do) respond to any post that offers a feedback
on the merits/failings of Scribe.

AM

<no@spam.com> wrote in message news:cb8cv7060r@drn.newsguy.com... In article <1087601564.159105@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...Alexandr Molochnikov wrote: Hello everyone, We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group. Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking "how do I do xyz?"

[Daniel Morgan]

no@spam.com wrote:
In article <1087601564.159105@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...Alexandr Molochnikov wrote:Hello everyone,We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group. Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking "how do I do xyz?"

You are a known spammer. And as I have pointed out before ... a
hypocrite for posting with a fake email address.

Which part of "for our new product" eludes you?

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
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[Charlie]

In article <1087886967.986055@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...>>We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group. Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking "how do I do xyz?"You are a known spammer.

And so are you. Your sigs contain advertisement.
And as I have pointed out before ... ahypocrite for posting with a fake email address.Which part of "for our new product" eludes you?

No part of it eluded me. All Oracle tools are products.
--Daniel Morganhttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asphttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.aspdamorgan@x.washington.edu(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Daniel Morgan]

no@spam.com wrote:
In article <1087886967.986055@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...>>We are looking for beta-testers for our new product ->>You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group.Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking"how do I do xyz?"You are a known spammer. And so are you. Your sigs contain advertisement.

Reference lines under a signature are not a violation of
usenet rules in any usenet group. Try to learn something
rather than making it up as you go. One might also note,
if they cared to be objective, that the two lines
below my signature are for a program that required a
student register by October of last year. Hardly a great
marketing ploy.
And as I have pointed out before ... ahypocrite for posting with a fake email address.Which part of "for our new product" eludes you? No part of it eluded me. All Oracle tools are products.

Which is the purpose of these groups. Not the promotion of
your tools. If you want to promote your tools form your own
group.

And the measure of how interested anyone will be in your tools
is the number of people that post in the group ... should be a
very lonely place. Please stop trying to make money by abusing us.

--Daniel Morganhttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asphttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.aspdamorgan@x.washington.edu(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)


--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Charlie]

In article <1087915504.673037@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...>>>We are looking for beta-testers for our new product ->>>>You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group.>>>Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking>"how do I do xyz?"You are a known spammer. And so are you. Your sigs contain advertisement.Reference lines under a signature are not a violation ofusenet rules in any usenet group. Try to learn somethingrather than making it up as you go.

Where are these rules written down? Nowhere? Who is the one making
up rules as you go? You or me? You are making up rules that allow
you to do whatever you want -- posting links to a money-making
enterprise -- while prohibiting others from mentioning free tools
they want to share with others?
One might also note,if they cared to be objective, that the two linesbelow my signature are for a program that required astudent register by October of last year. Hardly a greatmarketing ploy.

Then why are you posting it? Don't bother answering because
it makes no difference in principle.
And as I have pointed out before ... ahypocrite for posting with a fake email address.Which part of "for our new product" eludes you? No part of it eluded me. All Oracle tools are products.Which is the purpose of these groups. Not the promotion ofyour tools. If you want to promote your tools form your owngroup.

"Oracle" is a company. "Oracle" is also a product. The "Oracle"
in comp.databases.oracle.tools does not mean Oracle the company.
It means Oracle the database. That is why it is under the
comp.databases.* hierarchy. If it was Oracle the company it
won't be in the comp.databases.* heirarchy. And that means
oracle.tools does not mean tools made by Oracle the company, it
means tools made for Oracle the database.
And the measure of how interested anyone will be in your toolsis the number of people that post in the group ... should be avery lonely place.

You are a very bitter man.
Please stop trying to make money by abusing us.

And you stop beating your wife, OK Daniel?

[Ed prochak]

no@spam.com wrote in message news:<cbavvu01ir0@drn.newsguy.com>... In article <1087915504.673037@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...
[]Reference lines under a signature are not a violation ofusenet rules in any usenet group. Try to learn somethingrather than making it up as you go. Where are these rules written down? Nowhere? Who is the one making up rules as you go? You or me? You are making up rules that allow you to do whatever you want -- posting links to a money-making enterprise -- while prohibiting others from mentioning free tools they want to share with others?

Try learning that you are the one making up the rules. They are
written down. check the FAQs.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/
and this about netiquette
http://www.psg.com/emily.html

They are also written in the MANY threads like this in these groups,
so look back in GOOGLE and you'll find this pattern:
1. A spammer, like you posts an off topic message. Often this is the
first post from this person in these groups
2. one or two regulars in the group reply, mentioning .marketplace as
the appropriate place.
3. the spammer gets all hot and bothered that they have the RIGHT to
post anywhere
4. more regulars reply, most pointing out that no this is still not
appropriate.
5. steps 3 and 4 repeat until the spammer either learns his lesson
(yes some do) or leaves.

The length of these threads is up to you.
One might also note,if they cared to be objective, that the two linesbelow my signature are for a program that required astudent register by October of last year. Hardly a greatmarketing ploy. Then why are you posting it? Don't bother answering because it makes no difference in principle.
>And as I have pointed out before ... a>hypocrite for posting with a fake email address.>>Which part of "for our new product" eludes you? No part of it eluded me. All Oracle tools are products.Which is the purpose of these groups. Not the promotion ofyour tools. If you want to promote your tools form your owngroup. "Oracle" is a company. "Oracle" is also a product. The "Oracle" in comp.databases.oracle.tools does not mean Oracle the company. It means Oracle the database. That is why it is under the comp.databases.* hierarchy. If it was Oracle the company it won't be in the comp.databases.* heirarchy. And that means oracle.tools does not mean tools made by Oracle the company, it means tools made for Oracle the database.

go back and read the charters of these groups. Just do a search in
google, restricted to the comp.database.oracle.* hierarchy for the
word charter.

or do I have to email them to you????


marketplace is where your post belongs.

And a final comment: have you considered the possibility that
your continued need for beta testers is directly related to the bad
will you create by posting off topic?

[Guest]

no@spam.com wrote in message news:<cbavvu01ir0@drn.newsguy.com>... "Oracle" is a company. "Oracle" is also a product. The "Oracle" in comp.databases.oracle.tools does not mean Oracle the company. It means Oracle the database. That is why it is under the comp.databases.* hierarchy. If it was Oracle the company it won't be in the comp.databases.* heirarchy. And that means oracle.tools does not mean tools made by Oracle the company, it means tools made for Oracle the database.
In case you didn't know it mr 'nospam' the spammer, this is a
newsgroup for Oracle front-end tools. It was never set up for
third-party tools, let alone for third-party crap developed by the
ever-insulting Mr. Molochnikov and his associates, morons like you.
Just read the charter! (Provided you can actually read, of course)

Now get lost and get back to your nanny, who will administer the
beating, which you deserve.

Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA

[bagieta]

You are DBA???
Senior???

Your post make me think that you are 15 years old.
I'm on this newsgroup for a very short time but I can say it is on the very
low level.
It is because of people like you Sybrand and Daniel.

Bagiet

In case you didn't know it mr 'nospam' the spammer, this is a newsgroup for Oracle front-end tools. It was never set up for third-party tools, let alone for third-party crap developed by the ever-insulting Mr. Molochnikov and his associates, morons like you. Just read the charter! (Provided you can actually read, of course) Now get lost and get back to your nanny, who will administer the beating, which you deserve. Sybrand Bakker Senior Oracle DBA

[Greg Forestieri]

"Alex Molochnikov" <NOBODY@NOSPAM.COM> wrote in message news:<UeQBc.856944$Ig.852774@pd7tw2no>... Thank you for coming out in my defence, but this is not necessary. Daniel Moron already made a complete round asshole of himself by "combating" my posts, while conveniently ignoring the real spam of "My little sister..." type - because even an idiot like him is capable of realizing that real spammers will never honor him with any kind of response. Also, I made a resolution to never respond to any of those imbecils that are not capable of doing creative work on their own, but cannot stand it in others. However, I will (and do) respond to any post that offers a feedback on the merits/failings of Scribe. AM <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:cb8cv7060r@drn.newsguy.com... In article <1087601564.159105@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...Alexandr Molochnikov wrote:> Hello everyone,>> We are looking for beta-testers for our new product -You must be denser than iridium. Please stop spamming this usenet group. Stop it, you idiot. His post is no different than a post asking "how do I do xyz?"


Off-topic posts and SPAM destroy newsgroups. Your posts are
counter-productive in the end.

[Daniel Morgan]

no@spam.com wrote:
Where are these rules written down? Nowhere?

As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said:
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people
think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

And as Ed Prochak said:
They are written down. check the FAQs.
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/
and this about netiquette
http://www.psg.com/emily.html

I think you owe everyone an apology.

And with a bit of humility and an open mind you might discover
that the regulars actually know something about this topic.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
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[Charlie]

In article <1088037854.265637@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...no@spam.com wrote: Where are these rules written down? Nowhere?As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said:"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let peoplethink you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."And as Ed Prochak said:They are written down. check the FAQs. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/

It is like saying search the internet. http://www.google.com
and this about netiquette http://www.psg.com/emily.html

What specific bit are you refering to? Does it say that mentioning
free tools is against the rules?
I think you owe everyone an apology.And with a bit of humility and an open mind you might discoverthat the regulars actually know something about this topic.

Don't be a frikkin idiot.

[Daniel Morgan]

no@spam.com wrote:
In article <1088037854.265637@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...no@spam.com wrote:Where are these rules written down? Nowhere?As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said:"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let peoplethink you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."And as Ed Prochak said:They are written down. check the FAQs. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ It is like saying search the internet. http://www.google.comand this about netiquette http://www.psg.com/emily.html What specific bit are you refering to? Does it say that mentioning free tools is against the rules?I think you owe everyone an apology.And with a bit of humility and an open mind you might discoverthat the regulars actually know something about this topic. Don't be a frikkin idiot.

As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said:
"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people
think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

And as Samuel Johnson said:
"Sir, I have found you an explanation, but
I am not obliged to find you an understanding."

You appear to be the only person around that either can't read
or can't comprehend. It is not our problem to determine which
or to spoon feed you. The FAQ is quite clear on the subject.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Guest]

"Bagieta" <bagieta21@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message news:<cbc3e1$as0$1@news.onet.pl>... You are DBA??? Senior??? Your post make me think that you are 15 years old. I'm on this newsgroup for a very short time but I can say it is on the very low level. It is because of people like you Sybrand and Daniel. Bagiet

Which tells more about your level than mine.
If you want to ruin this group go ahead spamming.
Be sure people like Daniel and myself will leave and NO ONE gets
helped out anymore.
The low level of this group is caused by deliberate spammers like Mr
Molochnikov, Mr. nospam.spam
How come all those people are all from the Ex-Soviet dominated
countries.
No please go on flaming somewhere else.


Sybrand Bakker
Senior Oracle DBA

[Pete's]

Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1088055920.171276@yasure>... no@spam.com wrote: In article <1088037854.265637@yasure>, Daniel Morgan says...no@spam.com wrote:>Where are these rules written down? Nowhere?As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said:"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let peoplethink you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."And as Ed Prochak said:They are written down. check the FAQs. http://www.faqs.org/faqs/ It is like saying search the internet. http://www.google.comand this about netiquette http://www.psg.com/emily.html What specific bit are you refering to? Does it say that mentioning free tools is against the rules?I think you owe everyone an apology.And with a bit of humility and an open mind you might discoverthat the regulars actually know something about this topic. Don't be a frikkin idiot. As Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain) said: "It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." And as Samuel Johnson said: "Sir, I have found you an explanation, but I am not obliged to find you an understanding." You appear to be the only person around that either can't read or can't comprehend. It is not our problem to determine which or to spoon feed you. The FAQ is quite clear on the subject.

Agree with you there Daniel!

Spammer, Go to c.d.o.marketplace!!!!!!

[bagieta]

You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah.
Oh don't go away. Please stay. There are no more people smarter than you who
has such a big knowledge.
Nice. I guess none of your collegues likes you if you have any.
Who likes egoists?
And if you want to know people from Ex-Soviet are those who make your
country to grow so fast.
Because you can't do anything else than eating hamburgers and getting fat
watching tv.
Because people like you are not well educated. That is why we are. To create
something. You can only give advices.
Do you know something else than Oracle? Do you know another language than
english? Do you know where the Ex-Soviet countries are on map? If you want
to know, your "red brick" universities have the level of our high schools.
You are such a buffoon... (if you know what that word means).

Please don't you make me laugh.
yours
Senior Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase, PostgreSQL, DB2 DBA


Which tells more about your level than mine. If you want to ruin this group go ahead spamming. Be sure people like Daniel and myself will leave and NO ONE gets helped out anymore. The low level of this group is caused by deliberate spammers like Mr Molochnikov, Mr. nospam.spam How come all those people are all from the Ex-Soviet dominated countries. No please go on flaming somewhere else. Sybrand Bakker Senior Oracle DBA

[bagieta]

As I see you are jealous that some people are creative and can develope some
product and you can't. But I understand you are only an admin and not enough
smart to create something other could use.

And the measure of how interested anyone will be in your tools is the number of people that post in the group ... should be a very lonely place. Please stop trying to make money by abusing us. --Daniel Morganhttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asphttp://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.aspdamorgan@x.washington.edu(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Alex Molochnikov]

Bagieta,

You _did_ make me laugh... although I was not the intended audience.
However, you are wasting you time trying to reason anything out with Sybrand
Barker, Daneil Moron and their likes. These are members of the Mutual
Admiration Club, and they seriously believe that:

1. the status of the "old timer" is equivalent to a Badge of Honor;
2. Oracle NGs belong to them;
3. their judgement of who can post what and where is flawless and must be
accepted by everyone;
4. they and they alone determine what "spam" means.
5. the amount of bandwith noise they create by barking up every post they
don't like will scare the "offenders" or convince bystanders that they are
right.
6. the one who has the last word in the argument is the one who won it,
which is why they just can't stop.

When was the last time I was in close contact with this type of mentality...
oh yeah, in Brest, on the USSR-Polish border in 1979 when I was going
through the Soviet customs and watched the border guard search my books on
computer programming and electrical engineering. The guard, too, believed
that he had the right and mental capacity to judge the content of the books
and decide my fate. And he was wearing a badge... Where is he now?

Of special interest is how they decided that a request for help in debugging
(field-testing) an Oracle-related product in its entirety is spam, while
asking for help in debugging an isolated SQL query used in that product is
not.

But this is their unalienable right of the "old timers". Like every Big
Brother, they know better.

AM

"Bagieta" <bagieta21@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
news:cbentb$kq3$1@news.onet.pl... You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah. Oh don't go away. Please stay. There are no more people smarter than you
who has such a big knowledge. Nice. I guess none of your collegues likes you if you have any. Who likes egoists? And if you want to know people from Ex-Soviet are those who make your country to grow so fast. Because you can't do anything else than eating hamburgers and getting fat watching tv. Because people like you are not well educated. That is why we are. To
create something. You can only give advices. Do you know something else than Oracle? Do you know another language than english? Do you know where the Ex-Soviet countries are on map? If you want to know, your "red brick" universities have the level of our high schools. You are such a buffoon... (if you know what that word means). Please don't you make me laugh. yours Senior Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase, PostgreSQL, DB2 DBA Which tells more about your level than mine. If you want to ruin this group go ahead spamming. Be sure people like Daniel and myself will leave and NO ONE gets helped out anymore. The low level of this group is caused by deliberate spammers like Mr Molochnikov, Mr. nospam.spam How come all those people are all from the Ex-Soviet dominated countries. No please go on flaming somewhere else. Sybrand Bakker Senior Oracle DBA

[Ed prochak]

"Bagieta" <bagieta21@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message news:<cbentb$kq3$1@news.onet.pl>... You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah.

Funny, he neveer claimed to be the ONE.
Oh don't go away. Please stay. There are no more people smarter than you who has such a big knowledge.

Either a compliment or sarcasm. But truthfully there are few topics
Sybrand is not able to help with.
Nice. I guess none of your collegues likes you if you have any. Who likes egoists?

That's probably why I'm beginning to dislike you.
And if you want to know people from Ex-Soviet are those who make your country to grow so fast.
Huh?
Because you can't do anything else than eating hamburgers and getting fat watching tv. Because people like you are not well educated. That is why we are. To create something. You can only give advices.
Again Huh?

You make no sense with the above comments. You merely show you
ignorance.
Do you know something else than Oracle? Do you know another language than english? Do you know where the Ex-Soviet countries are on map? If you want to know, your "red brick" universities have the level of our high schools. You are such a buffoon... (if you know what that word means). Please don't you make me laugh. yours Senior Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase, PostgreSQL, DB2 DBA

You really don't know Sybrand (or the rest of us at all. Can you point
on a globe where Sybrand lives? I bet you can't.


Well, I think I know how to read you postings now.
Your personal attacks are gaining zero points in the discussion.

Ed

[s.kapitza]

google search : c.d.o.*:

"sybrandb@" vs. "bagieta21@" : 22000 against 5

lol

"Bagieta" <bagieta21@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message news:<cbentb$kq3$1@news.onet.pl>... You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah. Oh don't go away. Please stay. There are no more people smarter than you who has such a big knowledge. Nice. I guess none of your collegues likes you if you have any. Who likes egoists? And if you want to know people from Ex-Soviet are those who make your country to grow so fast. Because you can't do anything else than eating hamburgers and getting fat watching tv. Because people like you are not well educated. That is why we are. To create something. You can only give advices. Do you know something else than Oracle? Do you know another language than english? Do you know where the Ex-Soviet countries are on map? If you want to know, your "red brick" universities have the level of our high schools. You are such a buffoon... (if you know what that word means). Please don't you make me laugh. yours Senior Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase, PostgreSQL, DB2 DBA Which tells more about your level than mine. If you want to ruin this group go ahead spamming. Be sure people like Daniel and myself will leave and NO ONE gets helped out anymore. The low level of this group is caused by deliberate spammers like Mr Molochnikov, Mr. nospam.spam How come all those people are all from the Ex-Soviet dominated countries. No please go on flaming somewhere else. Sybrand Bakker Senior Oracle DBA

[Daniel Morgan]

Bagieta wrote:
You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah.

Not at all. But I do believe, based on experience, that you can't give any.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
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[Daniel Morgan]

Bagieta wrote:
As I see you are jealous that some people are creative and can develope some product and you can't.

That's it. After 35 years in this industry starting with Fortran IV
I can't develop anything. After running my own consulting company for
more than 20 years I can't be develop anything. After teaching at the
University of Washington and advising at UC Berkeley I am not creative.

I am so glad I have you have pointed all of this out to me. Now if only
you could figure out how to make a contribution other than spamming,
cross-posting, and being off-topic. Then I could come to know you as
someone with more value than a bag of hammers.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[Daniel Morgan]

Alex Molochnikov wrote:
Bagieta, You _did_ make me laugh... although I was not the intended audience. However, you are wasting you time trying to reason anything out with Sybrand Barker, Daneil Moron and their likes. These are members of the Mutual Admiration Club, and they seriously believe that: 1. the status of the "old timer" is equivalent to a Badge of Honor;

No. That the status of someone that has never made a single contribution
to the group is ZERO.

And that the status of a spammer is less than that.

When it comes to being a contributor to these groups you are like a
eunuch in a harem; you may know how it's done, you may have seen it
done every day, but you are unable to do it yourself.

--
Daniel Morgan
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp
http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp
damorgan@x.washington.edu
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[Ana C. Dent]

Daniel Morgan wrote: Bagieta wrote: As I see you are jealous that some people are creative and can develope some product and you can't.
[...snip...] Then I could come to know you as someone with more value than a bag of hammers.

Warning: The Anti-Defamation League for Hammers
will be on your case for devaluing their members.

[Joel Garry]

Daniel Morgan <damorgan@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1088211744.67446@yasure>... Alex Molochnikov wrote: Bagieta, You _did_ make me laugh... although I was not the intended audience. However, you are wasting you time trying to reason anything out with Sybrand Barker, Daneil Moron and their likes. These are members of the Mutual Admiration Club, and they seriously believe that: 1. the status of the "old timer" is equivalent to a Badge of Honor; No. That the status of someone that has never made a single contribution to the group is ZERO.

Alex, you seem to have confused me with Daniel. I'm the one who
maintains the status of the "old timer" is equivalent to a Badge of
Honor. I'm in the minority there, as the general feeling is that
posts should be evaluated on their own (within the context of a
thread).

This means even spammers can redeem themselves. And Daniel is correct
about zero status.
And that the status of a spammer is less than that. When it comes to being a contributor to these groups you are like a eunuch in a harem; you may know how it's done, you may have seen it done every day, but you are unable to do it yourself.

Hey, no insulting eunuchs now. We might get that eggy-weggy guy's
panties in a bunch. :-)

jg
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@home.com is bogus.
Keep 'em guessing, Larry:
http://www.forbes.com/technology/feeds/ap/2004/06/28/ap1436707.html

[bagieta]

Interesting
You think you are only one person who can give Oracle advices... hah. Not at all. But I do believe, based on experience, that you can't give
any. -- Daniel Morgan http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/oad/oad_crs.asp http://www.outreach.washington.edu/ext/certificates/aoa/aoa_crs.asp damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace 'x' with a 'u' to reply)

[bagieta]

But after 35 years of using Fortran :) and teaching on University (where
nobody likes you)
you are still rude churl.