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gw1500se
09-20-2003, 05:04 AM
I had a catostrophic HD failure. When I recovered Quicken form my
backup a number of records were corrupt. I fixed most of them manually
but have a problem with one security. It is a mutual fund that shows
an incorrect number of shares (it should be 0). However, when I try to
remove the shares (ShrsOut) it tells me it is a short transcation and
will not remove them. Can anyone suggest how I can correct the shares
balance? TIA.
R. C. White
09-20-2003, 07:04 AM
Hi, GW.
This kind of problem crops up often in Quicken. It may not have been
related to your HD failure.
Quicken is subject to the same rounding errors as all computer programs -
and Intuit's programmers have done an inadequate job of compensating for
them. It's not a new problem; we've complained about it for years.
If you buy 1 1/3 shares of a security, Q might calculate it internally as
1.3333333, but show it to you as 1.333. If you then sell all your shares,
you should have zero left, obviously. But, if you tell Q that you sold
1.333 shares, Q would record the sale of 1.333 shares and leave you with
zero in its reports, but with .0003333 left in its "permanent record" behind
the scenes. On the other hand, if you buy 1.6666667 shares, then sell the
1.667 shares that Q shows in its reports, Q would complain that you are
trying to sell more shares than you have. (If you use Lot Identification
for the sale, Q usually comes up with the right answer, but perhaps not if
you have been inconsistent in using this in the past.)
One way to reduce the problem is to always record purchases of shares as
exact 3-place decimals. In other words, if you buy 3 shares for $100, enter
it that way in Q. DO NOT enter the purchase as $100 worth at $33.33 per
share and let Q calculate the number of shares; it will record something
like 3.0003 shares. Instead, enter the $100.00 cash - to the penny - and 3
(or 3.000) shares, and let Q calculate the per-share price.
Q's rounding can be especially troublesome with mutual funds, which are
always declaring dividend and reinvesting them in some odd decimal number of
shares. Just remember to keep the accounting in pennies and .001 shares and
let the per-share price fall where it may. You may need to go back and
check all your prior entries, especially dividend reinvestments, to be sure
all the transactions are in even thousandths of a share.
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
(Retired - no longer licensed to practice)
San Marcos, TX
rc@corridor.net
"gw1500se" <awingnut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nnjomvcrmsf8rbdko2eas76c84it8fp16r@4ax.com... I had a catostrophic HD failure. When I recovered Quicken form my backup a number of records were corrupt. I fixed most of them manually but have a problem with one security. It is a mutual fund that shows an incorrect number of shares (it should be 0). However, when I try to remove the shares (ShrsOut) it tells me it is a short transcation and will not remove them. Can anyone suggest how I can correct the shares balance? TIA.
gw1500se
09-21-2003, 08:49 AM
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:04:26 -0500, "R. C. White" <rc@corridor.net>
wrote:
Hi, GW.This kind of problem crops up often in Quicken. It may not have beenrelated to your HD failure.Quicken is subject to the same rounding errors as all computer programs -and Intuit's programmers have done an inadequate job of compensating forthem. It's not a new problem; we've complained about it for years. SNIP
Thanks for the reply but that is not the problem in this case. What I
have is a mutual showing 2.65344 shares in the portfolio view. No
matter what number of shares I use (<2.65344), other then zero,
results in a short transaction error.
Bob J
09-21-2003, 12:12 PM
GW,
I had the same problem with an individual account all of the sudden
showing 115.33093 shares that I sold in 1996.
It would show in the individual account but not in the main portfolio
and it didn't change any of the values of my portfolio.
I "sold" those shares for $ 0.00 and damn if they didn't finally
disappear. It does show a transaction but no figures have changed and
it is not displayed in the account anymore.
Don't know if that would upset your account but for the time being it
seems to work for me ... knock on wood!!
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:49:32 GMT, gw1500se <awingnut@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 10:04:26 -0500, "R. C. White" <rc@corridor.net>wrote:Hi, GW.This kind of problem crops up often in Quicken. It may not have beenrelated to your HD failure.Quicken is subject to the same rounding errors as all computer programs -and Intuit's programmers have done an inadequate job of compensating forthem. It's not a new problem; we've complained about it for years. SNIPThanks for the reply but that is not the problem in this case. What Ihave is a mutual showing 2.65344 shares in the portfolio view. Nomatter what number of shares I use (<2.65344), other then zero,results in a short transaction error.
John Pollard
09-21-2003, 03:44 PM
gw1500se wrote: Thanks for the reply but that is not the problem in this case.
What I have is a mutual showing 2.65344 shares in the portfolio
view. No matter what number of shares I use (<2.65344), other then
zero, results in a short transaction error.
Your figures do not prove that this is not a Quicken rounding
problem.
You do not say what version of Quicken you are using. In Q2002
deluxe for Windows, US, you would:
Open the register of the account in question, then:
Investing > Investing Activities > Update my share balance
Choose the effective date, the security, and enter zero for the
number of shares.
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John Pollard
j underscore pollard at mindspring dot com
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gw1500se
09-21-2003, 04:04 PM
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:44:39 GMT, "John Pollard" <invalid@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Your figures do not prove that this is not a Quicken roundingproblem.
I knew that was not the problem because I've had the rounding problem
before. It is annoying but easy to fix.
You do not say what version of Quicken you are using. In Q2002deluxe for Windows, US, you would:
Oops. "2003 Premiere Home and Business"
Open the register of the account in question, then:Investing > Investing Activities > Update my share balanceChoose the effective date, the security, and enter zero for thenumber of shares.
That did it. Thanks.
There is just too much stuff buried in here which is why this list is
so critical. Thanks to all who participate.
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