opinion?

[Streiff]

Hello!

I am upgrading my computer and would like to have some opinions about
the components I am going to install. They are:

* Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz Boxed PC400 - Socket PGA478, 128kB cache
* PC2700 DDR-DIMM 256MB CL2.5 - Memory 184-P (for DDR-PC333MHz) (AMD
OK)
* Asus P4S8X-X Motherboard for S478/P-4 - SIS648, ATA/133, ATX, DDR,
8X AGP, Sound


Any comments on the different components?

Thank you.

[Io]

Streiff wrote:
Hello! I am upgrading my computer and would like to have some opinions about the components I am going to install. They are: * Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz Boxed PC400 - Socket PGA478, 128kB cache

Do not touch an Intel Celeron. Their performance is terrible. A 2.8GHz
Celeron is a similar speed to a 1.5GHz Duron. An Athlon XP Barton 2600+
is probably the best value for money (needs to be installed carefuly to
avoid frying though).
* PC2700 DDR-DIMM 256MB CL2.5 - Memory 184-P (for DDR-PC333MHz) (AMD OK)

PC3200 is literally only a few dollars more.
* Asus P4S8X-X Motherboard for S478/P-4 - SIS648, ATA/133, ATX, DDR, 8X AGP, Sound

If you do decide to go the AMD route, make sure the motherboard doesn't
have a "VIA" chipset.
Any comments on the different components? Thank you.

[CJT]

Io wrote:
Streiff wrote:Hello!I am upgrading my computer and would like to have some opinions aboutthe components I am going to install. They are:* Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz Boxed PC400 - Socket PGA478, 128kB cache Do not touch an Intel Celeron. Their performance is terrible. A 2.8GHz Celeron is a similar speed to a 1.5GHz Duron.

I don't think the performance of a 1.5 GHz Duron is terrible. Certainly
it's more than adequate for many tasks.

An Athlon XP Barton 2600+ is probably the best value for money (needs to be installed carefuly to avoid frying though).* PC2700 DDR-DIMM 256MB CL2.5 - Memory 184-P (for DDR-PC333MHz) (AMDOK) PC3200 is literally only a few dollars more.* Asus P4S8X-X Motherboard for S478/P-4 - SIS648, ATA/133, ATX, DDR,8X AGP, Sound If you do decide to go the AMD route, make sure the motherboard doesn't have a "VIA" chipset.

I have several motherboards here based on the VIA chipset, and they
work just fine.
Any comments on the different components?Thank you.


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[Io]

CJT wrote:
Io wrote: Streiff wrote:Hello!I am upgrading my computer and would like to have some opinions aboutthe components I am going to install. They are:* Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz Boxed PC400 - Socket PGA478, 128kB cache Do not touch an Intel Celeron. Their performance is terrible. A 2.8GHz Celeron is a similar speed to a 1.5GHz Duron. I don't think the performance of a 1.5 GHz Duron is terrible. Certainly it's more than adequate for many tasks.

I wasn't saying that the 1.5GHz Duron is terrible, but for a 2.8GHz CPU to be
the slower than a 1.6GHz Athlon with castrated cache is some pretty lousy
performance and value for money. A Celeron is significantly slower than a P4
with full cache. You can buy an Athlon XP 2800+ (sometimes overclockable to
2.6GHz) for the same price as a 2.8GHz Celeron which is the about the same
speed as an Athlon XP 1500+ - that's terrible performance for your units of
currency.
An Athlon XP Barton 2600+ is probably the best value for money (needs to be installed carefuly to avoid frying though).* PC2700 DDR-DIMM 256MB CL2.5 - Memory 184-P (for DDR-PC333MHz) (AMDOK) PC3200 is literally only a few dollars more.* Asus P4S8X-X Motherboard for S478/P-4 - SIS648, ATA/133, ATX, DDR,8X AGP, Sound If you do decide to go the AMD route, make sure the motherboard doesn't have a "VIA" chipset. I have several motherboards here based on the VIA chipset, and they work just fine.

You're pretty lucky then :)

But even if they do work properly, their performance is inferior to other
chipsets.

[Streiff]

Thanks for your replies.
Other alternatives are a AMD Athlon XP2400+ 2.0 GHz or an AMD Athlon
XP2600+ Barton 1.917 GHz.
Is there any major difference between the both? It only differs around
$22.

[CJT]

Io wrote:
CJT wrote:Io wrote:Streiff wrote:>Hello!>>I am upgrading my computer and would like to have some opinions about>the components I am going to install. They are:>>* Intel Celeron 2.4 GHz Boxed PC400 - Socket PGA478, 128kB cacheDo not touch an Intel Celeron. Their performance is terrible. A 2.8GHzCeleron is a similar speed to a 1.5GHz Duron.I don't think the performance of a 1.5 GHz Duron is terrible. Certainlyit's more than adequate for many tasks. I wasn't saying that the 1.5GHz Duron is terrible, but for a 2.8GHz CPU to be the slower than a 1.6GHz Athlon with castrated cache is some pretty lousy performance and value for money. A Celeron is significantly slower than a P4 with full cache. You can buy an Athlon XP 2800+ (sometimes overclockable to 2.6GHz) for the same price as a 2.8GHz Celeron which is the about the same speed as an Athlon XP 1500+ - that's terrible performance for your units of currency.

Yes, if the price is out of proportion that's bad. But if the price
matches, then it's just an engineering tradeoff -- higher clock with
less efficiency vs. a more efficient architecture with a lower clock.
An Athlon XP Barton 2600+is probably the best value for money (needs to be installed carefuly toavoid frying though).>* PC2700 DDR-DIMM 256MB CL2.5 - Memory 184-P (for DDR-PC333MHz) (AMD>OK)PC3200 is literally only a few dollars more.>* Asus P4S8X-X Motherboard for S478/P-4 - SIS648, ATA/133, ATX, DDR,>8X AGP, SoundIf you do decide to go the AMD route, make sure the motherboard doesn'thave a "VIA" chipset.I have several motherboards here based on the VIA chipset, and theywork just fine. You're pretty lucky then :) But even if they do work properly, their performance is inferior to other chipsets.

Again, there are tradeoffs, and the same arguments apply as with CPUs.
If their performance is inferior but adequate and they're cheaper, that
might be a good thing. You objected when I applied an absolute scale
to CPUs without taking price into account, yet seem to be making an
absolute comparison here.


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