Largest Ram For PC's?

[Patrick D. Rockwell]

I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present
system is
a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory.

What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? While
I'm at it, what
is the largest clock speed? Disk size? I'm thinking of starting a
multi-platform system.

Thanks in advance.

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Patrick D. Rockwell

[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory.
What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC?

You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think).
With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this
is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was
a dual Opteron board.
While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed?

Depends only on the CPU.
Disk size?

I Have 2.5TB with 12 disks in one server case, more is possible.
I would say a sensible limit with a 550W PSU is these 12 disks.
If you take 500GB disks, that gives you 6TB.
I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system.

A what?

Arno
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[Followup-to: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc]
I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what?

Maybe he means a system that run multiple operating systems.

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<renan.birck@ibestvip.com.br> writesThis is Arno Wagner for forever:[Followup-to: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc] I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what?Maybe he means a system that run multiple operating systems.
Or perhaps a multi-system platform?
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[Patrick D. Rockwell]

"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:36vpgkF573acqU1@individual.net... In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory. What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think). With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was a dual Opteron board. While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed? Depends only on the CPU. Disk size? I Have 2.5TB with 12 disks in one server case, more is possible. I would say a sensible limit with a 550W PSU is these 12 disks. If you take 500GB disks, that gives you 6TB.

Wow! How much would a 500 Gb disk cost? What clock speed
are you running at?
I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what?

I'm thinking of putting more than one operating system on the computer
that I hope to buy this year. I'm planning to have MS-Dos, Windows-XP,
OS2-Warp, Linux, PC-Dos 2000, and others.

To do this, I'm going to use System Commander, by V-Communications.

http://www.v-com.com/

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Patrick D. Rockwell

[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: "Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:36vpgkF573acqU1@individual.net... In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory. What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think). With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was a dual Opteron board. While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed? Depends only on the CPU. Disk size? I Have 2.5TB with 12 disks in one server case, more is possible. I would say a sensible limit with a 550W PSU is these 12 disks. If you take 500GB disks, that gives you 6TB.
Wow! How much would a 500 Gb disk cost?

The largest I can get here is 400GB for 300 Euro.
What clock speed are you running at?

Not really relevant, but the machine with the 12 disks is a dual
Athlon MP 2800.
I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what?
I'm thinking of putting more than one operating system on the computer that I hope to buy this year. I'm planning to have MS-Dos, Windows-XP, OS2-Warp, Linux, PC-Dos 2000, and others.

Aha! That is usually called multi-boot or multi-OS, since 'platform'
can also refer to the hardware architecture.
To do this, I'm going to use System Commander, by V-Communications.

Why not use Grub? It can boot anything...

Arno
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[Patrick D. Rockwell]

"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:3712gjF57b950U1@individual.net... In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: "Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:36vpgkF573acqU1@individual.net... In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote:> I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My> present> system is> a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory.> What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think). With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was a dual Opteron board.> While> I'm at it, what> is the largest clock speed? Depends only on the CPU.> Disk size? I Have 2.5TB with 12 disks in one server case, more is possible. I would say a sensible limit with a 550W PSU is these 12 disks. If you take 500GB disks, that gives you 6TB. Wow! How much would a 500 Gb disk cost? The largest I can get here is 400GB for 300 Euro. What clock speed are you running at? Not really relevant, but the machine with the 12 disks is a dual Athlon MP 2800.> I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what? I'm thinking of putting more than one operating system on the computer that I hope to buy this year. I'm planning to have MS-Dos, Windows-XP, OS2-Warp, Linux, PC-Dos 2000, and others. Aha! That is usually called multi-boot or multi-OS, since 'platform' can also refer to the hardware architecture. To do this, I'm going to use System Commander, by V-Communications. Why not use Grub? It can boot anything...

Hmm, never heard of it. I just found it on the web though. I'll look into
it. Thanks for mentioning it.




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[Eric]

Patrick D. Rockwell wrote:
I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory. What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed? Disk size? I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. Thanks in advance.
Before you blow too much cash, consider that even tho you can put say 8 gig
of ram into a system you might not be able to make use of it. What I mean
is that unless you have some OS/application situation that really wants a
large amount of ram it might just sit there idle and never be used.
Generally for most average users that starts happening above a gig or so.
Even Windoze, as much a memory hog as it is, probably wont really make good
use of ram above a gig or 2 for most users.
I'm building a system now, and my plan is for 1 gig. I thought about more
but I just dont think anything (that i normally run) will use it. My OS
plans are dual boot Linux and XP (915 chipset 3.4 ghz cpu).
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[chuck]

Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:36vpgkF573acqU1@individual.net:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net>
wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My
present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory. What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think). With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was a dual Opteron board. While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed? Depends only on the CPU.
No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory... Disk size? I Have 2.5TB with 12 disks in one server case, more is possible. I would say a sensible limit with a 550W PSU is these 12 disks. If you take 500GB disks, that gives you 6TB. I'm thinking of starting a multi-platform system. A what? Arno

[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote: Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:36vpgkF573acqU1@individual.net:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Patrick D. Rockwell <hnhc85a@prodigy.net> wrote: I'm thinking of getting a new Desktop someime in the near future. My present system is a 133 Mhz Desktop with 128 Megs of memory. What is the largest RAM size that I can currently get for a new PC? You can get a 12 DIMM slot mainboard from MSI (I think). With 1GB in each slot that makes 12GB. Obviously this is a server-board and a bit more expensive. I think it was a dual Opteron board. While I'm at it, what is the largest clock speed? Depends only on the CPU. No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory...

You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date.

Arno

[chuck]

Depends only on the CPU. No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory... You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date. Arno

My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current:
show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory.

[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote:
> Depends only on the CPU. No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory... You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date. Arno
My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current: show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory.

I was not talking about virtual address space, but physical. It is
a feature of the CPU, you know...

Arno

[chuck]

Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:3iv5llFnkt9rU1@individual.net:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote:>> Depends only on the CPU.> No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS
memory... You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date. Arno My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current: show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory. I was not talking about virtual address space, but physical. It is a feature of the CPU, you know... Arno

I'm talking about physical ram too. Show me a motherboard which can hold 2^64
bytes of system memory was my point (I believe that was PRECISELY what I
said)

[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote: Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:3iv5llFnkt9rU1@individual.net:
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote:>>> Depends only on the CPU.>> No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory...>> You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date.>> Arno> My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current: show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory. I was not talking about virtual address space, but physical. It is a feature of the CPU, you know... Arno
I'm talking about physical ram too. Show me a motherboard which can hold 2^64 bytes of system memory was my point (I believe that was PRECISELY what I said)

Well, yes,. They do not exist. But CPUs that can address this much
memory does not exist too. You are correct that most real-world
scenarios the physical address range of the CPU is an upper limit,
which may be further reduces by the available RAM chips and board
layout (AMD 64 bit CPUs) and the chipset (all other CPUs AFAIK).

So I apologise for my original answer, it was for the specific and
unrealistic case that everything except the CPU is custom-built
for maximum RAM.

Realistic numbers are e.g. 24GB for a dual opteron board
(MSI has one that takes 12 Modules and you can realistically
get 2GB per module at this time). Of course you need an OS
that supports this, e.g. 64 bit Linux.

Arno

[Jeremy Boden]

In message <3j0tc5Fno2dnU1@individual.net>, Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net>
writesIn comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote: Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:3iv5llFnkt9rU1@individual.net: In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote:>>>> Depends only on the CPU.>>> No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory...>>>> You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date.>>>> Arno>>> My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current:> show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory. I was not talking about virtual address space, but physical. It is a feature of the CPU, you know... Arno I'm talking about physical ram too. Show me a motherboard which can hold 2^64 bytes of system memory was my point (I believe that was PRECISELY what I said)Well, yes,. They do not exist. But CPUs that can address this muchmemory does not exist too. You are correct that most real-worldscenarios the physical address range of the CPU is an upper limit,which may be further reduces by the available RAM chips and boardlayout (AMD 64 bit CPUs) and the chipset (all other CPUs AFAIK).So I apologise for my original answer, it was for the specific andunrealistic case that everything except the CPU is custom-builtfor maximum RAM.Realistic numbers are e.g. 24GB for a dual opteron board(MSI has one that takes 12 Modules and you can realisticallyget 2GB per module at this time). Of course you need an OSthat supports this, e.g. 64 bit Linux.Arno
You could always build yourself a massively parallel computer consisting
of many thousands of CPU's, each with 24 GB of storage...

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[Charles Howse]

In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Jeremy Boden <jeremy@jboden.demon.co.uk> wrote: In message <3j0tc5Fno2dnU1@individual.net>, Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> writesIn comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote: Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:3iv5llFnkt9rU1@individual.net:> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc chuck <chucko@nil.car> wrote:>>>>>> Depends only on the CPU.>>>> No depends on the motherboard. Show me a 80286 with 16 MB of XMS memory...>>>>>> You knowledge seems to be pretty much out of date.>>>>>> Arno>>>>>> My point is valid despite the processor I mentioned. Ok you want current:>> show me a p5 with 2^64 bytes of memory.>> I was not talking about virtual address space, but physical. It is> a feature of the CPU, you know...>> Arno>> I'm talking about physical ram too. Show me a motherboard which can hold 2^64 bytes of system memory was my point (I believe that was PRECISELY what I said)Well, yes,. They do not exist. But CPUs that can address this muchmemory does not exist too. You are correct that most real-worldscenarios the physical address range of the CPU is an upper limit,which may be further reduces by the available RAM chips and boardlayout (AMD 64 bit CPUs) and the chipset (all other CPUs AFAIK).So I apologise for my original answer, it was for the specific andunrealistic case that everything except the CPU is custom-builtfor maximum RAM.Realistic numbers are e.g. 24GB for a dual opteron board(MSI has one that takes 12 Modules and you can realisticallyget 2GB per module at this time). Of course you need an OSthat supports this, e.g. 64 bit Linux.Arno You could always build yourself a massively parallel computer consisting of many thousands of CPU's, each with 24 GB of storage...

Yes, but the 24GB above give you a single memory area without the
need for special software. And it is actually 12GB/CPU, but AMD
64 bit SMP CPUs can transparently access memory connected to other
cores.

Arno