Average rewrite and lifetime of Media

[Andreas Mitsis]

Anyone knows how many times I can write on normal CD-RW media? When will it
cause serious failures to do so and what is the average lifetime? Does this
depend on the manufacturer of the media in use? Where can I find
information about this online?

Thank you

[Dan G]

No good answer to this. There are HS RW dics around that won't even write
twice. Currently the Ultra-speed (24x) verbatim media is very good. HS media
is notoriously poor and unreliable, but TDK and Sony have been good. Here
are some error-rate tests:
http://forum.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60316

high error-rates indicate a disc that is hard to read.


"Andreas Mitsis" <amitsis@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:bf9hn0$cqmea$1@ID-25592.news.uni-berlin.de... Anyone knows how many times I can write on normal CD-RW media? When will
it cause serious failures to do so and what is the average lifetime? Does
this depend on the manufacturer of the media in use? Where can I find information about this online? Thank you

[Kami]

I'm finding commercial CD's (software, clipart) are going bad on me. I do take
good care of them. I'm now of the opinion that CD's, even CD-R's, aren't the
permanent medium they've been purported to be. Sure, I'll continue to use them,
but I have more confidence in additional hard drives, zip drives and floppies.
The best backups are photo prints and paper copies.

Kami, doing a 180

Dan G wrote:
No good answer to this. There are HS RW dics around that won't even writetwice. Currently the Ultra-speed (24x) verbatim media is very good. HS mediais notoriously poor and unreliable, but TDK and Sony have been good. Hereare some error-rate tests:http://forum.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60316high error-rates indicate a disc that is hard to read."Andreas Mitsis" <amitsis@gmx.net> wrote in messagenews:bf9hn0$cqmea$1@ID-25592.news.uni-berlin.de... Anyone knows how many times I can write on normal CD-RW media? When willit cause serious failures to do so and what is the average lifetime? Doesthis depend on the manufacturer of the media in use? Where can I find information about this online? Thank you



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[smh]

Andreas Mitsis wrote: Anyone knows how many times I can write on normal CD-RW media? When will it cause serious failures to do so and what is the average lifetime? Does this depend on the manufacturer of the media in use? Where can I find information about this online?

Lifetime and reliability of CD-RW depend on the brand/manufacturer, just
like with CD-R. But there doesn't seemed to be any fast and easy answer
to that question.

Some info here:

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-12
http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-5

(Note: Don't be surprised if the info in the cdr-faq is "quite dated"
and has "significant errors" [Mike Richter])

Excerpts from: http://www.verbatim.com/news/news2.cfm?art_id=47

The latest release of Orange Book Part III Volume 3
details the specifications for Ultra-Speed CDRW media.

Verbatim DataLifePlus 16x-24x CD-RW discs deliver more than 1,000
overwrites and an archival life of more than 30 years

Verbatim backs the quality of its complete line of DataLifePlus
media with a lifetime warranty.

Watch out for arguments along these lines:

"cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable"
"cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable"

(There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.)

[GMAN]

Watch out for arguments along these lines: "cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable" "cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable"(There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.)
walking on eggshells eh?

[William Leech]

In message <bfaoph$q8l$3@terabinaries.xmission.com>, GMAN
<glenzabr@xmission.com> writesWatch out for arguments along these lines: "cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable" "cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable"(There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.)walking on eggshells eh?

I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable media
with the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10.
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[Kami]

Mike Richter wrote:
Kami wrote: I'm finding commercial CD's (software, clipart) are going bad on me. I do take good care of them. I'm now of the opinion that CD's, even CD-R's, aren't the permanent medium they've been purported to be. Sure, I'll continue to use them, but I have more confidence in additional hard drives, zip drives and floppies. The best backups are photo prints and paper copies.For once, I'm glad you top-posted so the stuff on the original threadcan be cut easily now that you've started a new one.CD is not a permanent medium - a recorded write-once disc has atheoretical life of the order of 100-200 years. (No one has real-timetest results.) It's expected that pressed discs will last longer, but noone knows how much longer.Your results suggest that either you have bad discs - improbable in anyquantity - or that your reader needs service. Have you cleaned theoptics lately?Mike

(As far as top or bottom posting, I usually follow what was done before. My
experience has shown that doing otherwise is a losing battle. (-: )

The CD burner drive is only a few months old. I'm SURE the DVD reader drive
needs cleaning (I have 5 cats). Dell told me that I should get a DVD cleaning
disk (the CD burner drive is also a DVD reader drive). I've never heard of
these before. Is there a better way to clean the drives? (Is this in your
FAQ's?)

Kami



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[Mike Richter]

Kami wrote: Mike Richter wrote:Kami wrote:I'm finding commercial CD's (software, clipart) are going bad on me. I do takegood care of them. I'm now of the opinion that CD's, even CD-R's, aren't thepermanent medium they've been purported to be. Sure, I'll continue to use them,but I have more confidence in additional hard drives, zip drives and floppies.The best backups are photo prints and paper copies.For once, I'm glad you top-posted so the stuff on the original threadcan be cut easily now that you've started a new one.CD is not a permanent medium - a recorded write-once disc has atheoretical life of the order of 100-200 years. (No one has real-timetest results.) It's expected that pressed discs will last longer, but noone knows how much longer.Your results suggest that either you have bad discs - improbable in anyquantity - or that your reader needs service. Have you cleaned theoptics lately?Mike (As far as top or bottom posting, I usually follow what was done before. My experience has shown that doing otherwise is a losing battle. (-: ) The CD burner drive is only a few months old. I'm SURE the DVD reader drive needs cleaning (I have 5 cats). Dell told me that I should get a DVD cleaning disk (the CD burner drive is also a DVD reader drive). I've never heard of these before. Is there a better way to clean the drives? (Is this in your FAQ's?)

I've never heard of a manufacturer recommending a cleaning disc; the
only one which seems to have a good reputation is the Panasonic, but I
have not looked for one myself.

The only recommendation I offer is to try blowing out the innards with
"canned air" applied carefully so the wand does not touch the optics.
Others have succeeded in disassembling the drive and cleaning with a
lint-free swab.

Mike
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[Kami]

Mike Richter wrote:
The only recommendation I offer is to try blowing out the innards with"canned air" applied carefully so the wand does not touch the optics.Others have succeeded in disassembling the drive and cleaning with alint-free swab.Mike

Thanks. I wouldn't try to disassemble it. Where are the optics located, top,
bottom, side?

Kami




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[Sunny]

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Gene pool filter broke again ?

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[smh]

Sunny wrote (7/20/03): Gene pool filter broke again ?

How many assholes do you have, Asshole?

===================
From: "sunny"
Date: 6/23/02

It has been in my killfile for ages

===================
Date: 5/5/03

wonder if smh will read this, seeing as I have him kill filed

===================
Date: 7/10/03

For shit sake, change your pills.
Plonk (again)

===================
Date: 7/11/03

Are you still studying to be an idiot, or have you graduated yet?
(must remember to ask someone to fix the gene pool filter)
===================

[Rui Sá]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:48:09 +0100, William Leech
<NOSPAM@waynrigg.demon.co.uk> wrote:
I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable mediawith the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10.

<10 what: days, months, years?

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In message <l7hshv4kpbsgfdgnv1nou19r6uvi5rrrt1@4ax.com>, Rui Sá
<rui_sa@myrealbox.com> writesOn Sat, 19 Jul 2003 11:48:09 +0100, William Leech<NOSPAM@waynrigg.demon.co.uk> wrote:I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable mediawith the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10.<10 what: days, months, years?

Erasures.
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.. ---------------------------------------
how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller?
---------------------------------------------
Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec
let loosed in Usenet this utter trash
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William Leech wrote: GMAN writes smh wrote: Watch out for arguments along these lines: "cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable" "cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable" (There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.) walking on eggshells eh? I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable media with the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10.

Is that "William Leech's Thinking on Rewritable media", along this line?

=========================================
William Leech's Thinking on ASPI & Win 2K
=========================================

-------------------
From: Mike Richter (cRoxshit Shill)
Date: 7/2/01

.... ASPI doesn't 'belong' on Win2K and

.... programs which *use* the ASPI layer
can create serious instabilities.

--------------------
From: Adrian Miller
Date: 11/22/01

.... when it blows it does it big time ...
.... recommend against attempting to use...ASPI layer on 2000

--------------------
From: Adrian Miller
Date: 11/24/01
When it blows, what exactly happens? I'm just curious here.

Usually a BSOD on start up that requires booting from the OS CD to use
the recovery options in the case of 2000, and sometimes an OS re-install
is required!

--------------------
From: William Leech <-- Moderator of no less than advanced cdr list!
Date: 11/21/01

.... I've had to recover a W2K machine where ASPI had been used.
Likewise a WinMe machine.

The cause was definitely the ASPI layer.

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"smh" <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3F1EDA27.B4749928@mindspring.com... . --------------------------------------- how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller? --------------------------------------------- Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec let loosed in Usenet this utter trash --------------------------------------------- William Leech (Moderator of no less than advanced cdr list) wrote: GMAN writes smh wrote:> Watch out for arguments along these lines:>> "cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable"> "cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable">> (There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.)> walking on eggshells eh? I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable
media with the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10. Adrian Miller (cRoxio): " there is an exception to every rule " Does an exception rule, Leech? Aren't there cases where cd-r media have gone bad? Do you then
conclude that cd-r media is also unreliable, Leech?

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"smh" <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3F1ECD3D.54FFCB74@mindspring.com... . --------------------------------------- how HUGE are your BALLS, Adrian Miller? --------------------------------------------- Only a trashy company like cRoxio or Acraptec let loosed in Usenet this utter trash --------------------------------------------- William Leech wrote: GMAN writes smh wrote:>Watch out for arguments along these lines:>> "cd-rw is less reliable than cd-r, thus cd-rw is unreliable"> "cd-rw is the least reliable media, thus cd-rw is unreliable">>(There are many in these cdr groups who swear by the above.)>walking on eggshells eh? I've seen a Philips employee quote that poorly matched erasable
media with the drive it's in will have a rewrite lifetime of <10. Is that "William Leech's Thinking on Rewritable media", along this
line? ========================================= William Leech's Thinking on ASPI & Win ME ========================================= ------------------- From: Mike Richter (cRoxshit Shill) Date: 4/6/01 ... the ASPI layer should not be installed in WinMe. -------------------- From: Adrian Miller (cRoxio) Date: 7/4/01 I have plenty of evidence to prove that installing the Adaptec ASPI into Me can wind up killing the OS... -------------------- From: William Leech <-- Moderator of no less than advanced cdr
list! Date: 11/21/01 ... I've had to recover a W2K machine where ASPI had been used. Likewise a WinMe machine. The cause was definitely the ASPI layer. ---------------------- -------------------------------------- Graham Mayor, where the hell were you? --------------------------------------

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Reduced to living off the trash?)

"... my thanks to Tim ..."
Timmy Kroesen ("Net-Kook") wrote: Usenet Abuse - Continuing Stalking, Harassment Aren't you talking about yourself, Timmy? and Libel Suppose you are calling this a libel? " Don't be surprised if the info in the cdr-faq is "quite dated" and has "significant errors" [Mike Richter] " Does merely quoting Mikey's words constitute a libel? ===================== From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum) Date: 5/24/02 I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section. It is quite dated ... and has significant errors =====================

======================
From: "ned ludd"
Subject: Re: Lead in and Lead out
Date: 5/28/02

"Mike Richter" (King Troll) wrote I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section. It is quite dated (Win95 and NT) and has significant errors based on my understanding. An essential omission for this Subject is the role of the leadout/runout in a reader. A CD-ROM (or audio) drive needs the runout to read the session at all. That's where about 10 MB go. If you only want to read the disc in a writer, don't close the session, save the space and find yourself a fraction of a cent richer.

Not in my experience. An audio disc without a leadout (produced by the
few
buffer underruns I've had) will read in ANY player up to the point where
the
data ends provided it was burned DAO. Failed data discs burned DAO will
behave similarly, any complete files will be readable in any reader.
======================

(Also, suppose Mikey knows nothing about OVERBURN?)
Do you suppose you can establish with specific examples that any of the following is a libel, Timmy? Mike Richter is a LIAR (wife beating) Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs) Mike Richter is a LIAR (major bug) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda limit) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret) Mike Richter is a LIAR (dae) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no enhanced cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd/cdr-faq) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/cd-text) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/sao/tao)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/single-session) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/plextor) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(8a) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (supplied cd) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (i) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (ii) Mike Richter Wow! Wow! Wow! Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (i) Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (ii) Mike Richter & "Looooooooonng" Time for Nothing

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"smh" <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:3F20957E.D3A6D992@mindspring.com... . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- (Reduced to living off the trash?) "... my thanks to Tim ..." Timmy Kroesen ("Net-Kook") wrote: Usenet Abuse - Continuing Stalking, Harassment Aren't you talking about yourself, Timmy? and Libel Suppose you are calling this a libel? " Don't be surprised if the info in the cdr-faq is "quite dated" and has "significant errors" [Mike Richter] " Does merely quoting Mikey's words constitute a libel? ===================== From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum) Date: 5/24/02 I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section. It is quite dated ... and has significant errors ===================== ====================== From: "ned ludd" Subject: Re: Lead in and Lead out Date: 5/28/02 "Mike Richter" (King Troll) wrote I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section. It is quite dated (Win95 and NT) and has significant errors based on my understanding.
An essential omission for this Subject is the role of the
leadout/runout in a reader. A CD-ROM (or audio) drive needs the runout to read the
session at all. That's where about 10 MB go. If you only want to read the
disc in a writer, don't close the session, save the space and find
yourself a fraction of a cent richer. Not in my experience. An audio disc without a leadout (produced by the few buffer underruns I've had) will read in ANY player up to the point
where the data ends provided it was burned DAO. Failed data discs burned DAO
will behave similarly, any complete files will be readable in any reader. ====================== (Also, suppose Mikey knows nothing about OVERBURN?) Do you suppose you can establish with specific examples that any of
the following is a libel, Timmy? Mike Richter is a LIAR (wife beating) Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs) Mike Richter is a LIAR (major bug) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda limit) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret) Mike Richter is a LIAR (dae) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no enhanced cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd/cdr-faq) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/cd-text) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/sao/tao)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/single-session) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/plextor) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(8a) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (supplied cd) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (i) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (ii) Mike Richter Wow! Wow! Wow! Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (i) Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (ii) Mike Richter & "Looooooooonng" Time for Nothing

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------
(Reduced to living off the trash?)
"... my thanks to Tim ..."


Timmy Kroesen ("Net-Kook") wrote: Usenet Abuse - Continuing Stalking, Harassment

Aren't you talking about yourself, Timmy?
and Libel

Suppose you are calling this a libel?

" Don't be surprised if the info in the cdr-faq is "quite dated"
and has "significant errors" [Mike Richter] "

Does merely quoting Mikey's words constitute a libel?

=====================
From: Mike Richter (Lying Scum)
Date: 5/24/02

I've posted privately to Andy on the FAQ section.

It is quite dated ... and has significant errors
=====================

Do you suppose you can establish with specific examples that any of the
following is a libel, Timmy?

Mike Richter is a LIAR (wife beating)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (major bug)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda limit)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (dae)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (no enhanced cd)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd/cdr-faq)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/cd-text)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/sao/tao)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/single-session)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/plextor)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(8a)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (supplied cd)

What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (i)
What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (ii)

Mike Richter Wow! Wow! Wow!

Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (i)
Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (ii)

Mike Richter & "Looooooooonng" Time for Nothing