"All-in-one" combo drive petition

[Henri Tapani Heinonen]

Please, visit at http://www.petitiononline.com/combo/petition.html and sign
the "all-in-one" combo drive -petition.

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Henri Heinonen - filosofian ylioppilas fysiikasta

[Mike Richter]

Henri Tapani Heinonen wrote:
Please, visit at http://www.petitiononline.com/combo/petition.html and sign the "all-in-one" combo drive -petition.

Sorry, but when the first sentence is false on its face, signature is
not recommended. There are exactly two LaserDisc formats; I believe the
petition addresses DVD, but that's not what it says.

Please note that the confusion stems from marketing and policy choices
by the manufacturers. Each of the principals would be perfectly happy to
eliminate the duplication - as long as the other guys comply with their
choice(s). For example, Panasonic 'knows' that DVD-R and DVD-RAM are the
universe of discourse; all others are inferior and should be abolished.

In time, the marketplace will decide. Until then, even if your petition
is corrected I doubt that any collection of signatures will have much
weight against the sales figures.

Mike
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mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/

[Henri Tapani Heinonen]

"Mike Richter" <mrichter@cpl.net> kirjoitti
viestissä:33b0mpF3q0mfdU1@individual.net... Sorry, but when the first sentence is false on its face, signature is not recommended. There are exactly two LaserDisc formats; I believe the

Please, explain.

CD and DVD really are laserdiscs.
In time, the marketplace will decide. Until then, even if your petition is corrected I doubt that any collection of signatures will have much weight against the sales figures.

Umm. Don't you feel a bit uncomfortable, if you cannot read your DVD-RAMs or
DD-CD-RWs in 2010s?

Please. We need drives that can at least read them. I am sorry to say this,
but it has nothing to do with a marketplace or the principals. We need more
drives like the LG GSA-4160B. Even LG GSA-4160B cannot read/write all
the formats, I think. So, there really is a marketplace for *all-in-one
drives*!

Yours sincerely, Henri Heinonen.

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Henri Heinonen - filosofian ylioppilas fysiikasta

[Graham Mayor]

Hmmm. I am sure that Mike will be along later to comment, but because a disc
is read by laser, does not make it a LaserDisc, which is a particular
proprietary format. It's a bit like saying ball point pens are 'Biros' or
vacuum cleaners are 'Hoovers'.

As for future formats, these are set by technology and market trends. We
don't know what is round the corner, but it will certainly not be a rotating
optically read disc format. If you hitch your wagon to this standard now,
you will quickly find yourself in the position of those with large
collections of 78rpm records, Elcasette, Betamax, and assorted other formats
that came and went.

CD Audio is already teetering in the face of subjectively inferior mp3
download formats to hard disc and flash memory players. It won't be the
first time that demand has killed a superior format. DVD is fast reaching
saturation and with perfectly acceptable players selling in supermarkets for
less than £30 (UK), it will not be long before the industry junks this
format to start us on a new round of aquisitiveness.

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Henri Tapani Heinonen wrote: "Mike Richter" <mrichter@cpl.net> kirjoitti viestissä:33b0mpF3q0mfdU1@individual.net... Sorry, but when the first sentence is false on its face, signature is not recommended. There are exactly two LaserDisc formats; I believe the Please, explain. CD and DVD really are laserdiscs. In time, the marketplace will decide. Until then, even if your petition is corrected I doubt that any collection of signatures will have much weight against the sales figures. Umm. Don't you feel a bit uncomfortable, if you cannot read your DVD-RAMs or DD-CD-RWs in 2010s? Please. We need drives that can at least read them. I am sorry to say this, but it has nothing to do with a marketplace or the principals. We need more drives like the LG GSA-4160B. Even LG GSA-4160B cannot read/write all the formats, I think. So, there really is a marketplace for *all-in-one drives*! Yours sincerely, Henri Heinonen.

[Mike Richter]

Henri Tapani Heinonen wrote:
"Mike Richter" <mrichter@cpl.net> kirjoitti viestissä:33b0mpF3q0mfdU1@individual.net...Sorry, but when the first sentence is false on its face, signature isnot recommended. There are exactly two LaserDisc formats; I believe the Please, explain. CD and DVD really are laserdiscs.

But the LaserDisc is something quite different - and is also read with a
laser. There are many optical and magneto-optical media. Since LaserDisc
is a defined format, the term 'laserdisc' is a poor choice.In time, the marketplace will decide. Until then, even if your petitionis corrected I doubt that any collection of signatures will have muchweight against the sales figures. Umm. Don't you feel a bit uncomfortable, if you cannot read your DVD-RAMs or DD-CD-RWs in 2010s?

I will feel uncomfortable about that, but anticipate transferring
information that is worth preserving to the best guess of a long-term
medium before my present media become unreadable for any reason. Please. We need drives that can at least read them. I am sorry to say this, but it has nothing to do with a marketplace or the principals. We need more drives like the LG GSA-4160B. Even LG GSA-4160B cannot read/write all the formats, I think. So, there really is a marketplace for *all-in-one drives*!

As soon as a drive comes along which can read all media and formats, a
new one will be defined which it cannot read. That is the nature of
technological evolution.

However, my point is not that I do not want such a drive, but that the
effort to inspire (let alone to enforce) standardization is doomed to
failure. Only the accountants have hope of persuading their companies
and even they must overcome prejudice against cooperation among
manufacturers.

There is another factor: the cost and near-incompatibility of formats
which are rarely used. I recently bought a DVD recorder from Panasonic
which writes only DVD-R and DVD-RAM. I have no use for the -RAM format
and would gladly have chosen -RW or +R instead had it been offered. It's
clear that the choice was dictated by the availability of two-sided -RAM
discs, but since +R has that now and -R should shortly, that function is
pointless on this machine; I suspect that it was also an expensive
addition.

Is it worth preserving such a format when it becomes obsolete? Even
today, should one encumber a drive with the short-lived +RAM capabiilty?

Mike
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mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/

[Henri Tapani Heinonen]

"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:33ck6fF3t91mvU1@individual.net... less than £30 (UK), it will not be long before the industry junks this format to start us on a new round of aquisitiveness.

We can put a period for this awful process.

Imagine; HD-DVD, BluRay, Tapestry or whatever which can also read and write
all the CD/DVD formats. What else could a computer nerd wish?

We do not need those terrible portable MP3 players. I think they are just
awful.

Well, maybe we need also them, but it should not be the only option for
future media.

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Henri Heinonen - filosofian ylioppilas fysiikasta