Undreadable DVD-R in DVD players, why?

[Carsten A. Arnholm]

Hi,

I hope someone can explain the following, and maybe suggest a cure.

I have a "BTC external USB2.0 DVD +- R/RW writer" and I am using CDBurnerXP
Pro 3 Freeware (very good program!) for for burning data DVDs on "Traxdata
DVD-R (4x speed)" DVD disks. The disks have been burned and finalised in one
go. The contents is a simple folder strucure with some zip files, nothing
special.

The burning works just fine, but there is a problem in reading the DVDs on
anything but DVD-writers (I have tested on two different DVD-RW devices and
the disks reads ok there). On several DVD players (in a desktop and a
laptop) the disks are not recognised, and that sort of defeats the purpose.

The question is why can I not read the disks on standard "DVD-ROM" devices
(I hope this is the correct term), and is there anything I can do to ensure
my DVD-R disks become readable with such DVD-devices ?

Suggestions are most welcome.
Carsten A. Arnholm
http://arnholm.org/
N59.776 E10.457

[Mike Richter]

Carsten A. Arnholm wrote:
Hi, I hope someone can explain the following, and maybe suggest a cure. I have a "BTC external USB2.0 DVD +- R/RW writer" and I am using CDBurnerXP Pro 3 Freeware (very good program!) for for burning data DVDs on "Traxdata DVD-R (4x speed)" DVD disks. The disks have been burned and finalised in one go. The contents is a simple folder strucure with some zip files, nothing special. The burning works just fine, but there is a problem in reading the DVDs on anything but DVD-writers (I have tested on two different DVD-RW devices and the disks reads ok there). On several DVD players (in a desktop and a laptop) the disks are not recognised, and that sort of defeats the purpose. The question is why can I not read the disks on standard "DVD-ROM" devices (I hope this is the correct term), and is there anything I can do to ensure my DVD-R disks become readable with such DVD-devices ? Suggestions are most welcome. Carsten A. Arnholm http://arnholm.org/ N59.776 E10.457

You said you wrote DVD-R, but is there a chance you meant DVD+R? DVD-ROM
on + media can be anomalous; mine read well in the writer, but not in
the NEC reader. (DVD-R is fine in both.) I'm also guessing that you used
ISO 9660 format with reasonable filenames. (It's clear from your
description that the files are not too big.)

Mike
--
mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/

[Carsten A. Arnholm]

Mike Richter wrote: I hope someone can explain the following, and maybe suggest a cure. I have a "BTC external USB2.0 DVD +- R/RW writer" and I am using CDBurnerXP Pro 3 Freeware (very good program!) for for burning data DVDs on "Traxdata DVD-R (4x speed)" DVD disks. The disks have been burned and finalised in one go. The contents is a simple folder strucure with some zip files, nothing special. The burning works just fine, but there is a problem in reading the DVDs on anything but DVD-writers (I have tested on two different DVD-RW devices and the disks reads ok there). On several DVD players (in a desktop and a laptop) the disks are not recognised, and that sort of defeats the purpose. The question is why can I not read the disks on standard "DVD-ROM" devices (I hope this is the correct term), and is there anything I can do to ensure my DVD-R disks become readable with such DVD-devices ? Suggestions are most welcome. You said you wrote DVD-R, but is there a chance you meant DVD+R? DVD-ROM on + media can be anomalous; mine read well in the writer, but not in the NEC reader. (DVD-R is fine in both.) I'm also guessing that you used ISO 9660 format with reasonable filenames. (It's clear from your description that the files are not too big.) Mike

Hi Mike,

Many thanks for the answer. Clearly, the disks are DVD-R and not DVD+R.
Although I don't understand all the subtleties between those variants, I
understand there are some differences, and my best guess was to use DVD-R,
so I made sure that is what I bought and used. The disks are labeled DVD-R.
Still I have this problem of the disks becoming unreadable in DVD players.

The filenames are short and very simple, nothing special at all. Folder
names like "20041223" (i.e. a date) and file names like "k30023.zip". The
file sizes can be up to ~200MB though. I used "Joliet" as file format, it
was default. Not sure how that maps to ISO 9660 or if at all?

Someone else suggested I tried another burning program. So I tried the same
thing with Nero Express that came with the DVD burner (I didn't like the GUI
of Nero Express, it is less flexible than CDBurnerXP Pro). To my surprise,
it seems that DVD-R disks burned with Nero Express are indeed readable on
DVD players. So it may seem the problem is in the CDBurnerXP Pro software.
Does that sound reasonable? Somehow it surprises me, as I thought such
compatibility issues would be due to the burner and not the software?

What is going on here?

--
Carsten A. Arnholm
http://arnholm.org/
N59.776 E10.457

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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"Carsten A. Arnholm" wrote: I have a "BTC external USB2.0 DVD +- R/RW writer" and I am using CDBurnerXP Pro 3 Freeware (very good program!) for for burning data DVDs on "Traxdata DVD-R (4x speed)" DVD disks. The disks have been burned and finalised in one go. The contents is a simple folder strucure with some zip files, nothing special. The burning works just fine, but there is a problem in reading the DVDs on anything but DVD-writers (I have tested on two different DVD-RW devices and the disks reads ok there). On several DVD players (in a desktop and a laptop) the disks are not recognised, and that sort of defeats the purpose. The question is why can I not read the disks on standard "DVD-ROM" devices (I hope this is the correct term), and is there anything I can do to ensure my DVD-R disks become readable with such DVD-devices ?

Sounds like some finalization problem. Recall reading a certain burner
does not finalize properly until fixed with a newer firmware. Also
possible CDBurnerXP does not finalize properly with the burner. Check
for a newer firmware or try another software.

You may also try the burn on DVD+RW which does not need finalization.


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Why Are They Saying All These Horrible Things About Him?
========================================================
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(No Pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the following is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )

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Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs)
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What an Asshole

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) screeched: DVD-ROM on + media can be anomalous

Is it now "anomalous"? Whatever happened to "trickier"?

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Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) splattered (10/21/04): DVD-ROM is a bit trickier on the + media.

Sounds like you have extensive experience in DVD burning.

What do you mean by "trickier"?

Did burning to the + media require you to use a needle,
a magnifying glass and a cigarette lighter?
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
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[Mike Richter]

Carsten A. Arnholm wrote:
Someone else suggested I tried another burning program. So I tried the same thing with Nero Express that came with the DVD burner (I didn't like the GUI of Nero Express, it is less flexible than CDBurnerXP Pro). To my surprise, it seems that DVD-R disks burned with Nero Express are indeed readable on DVD players. So it may seem the problem is in the CDBurnerXP Pro software. Does that sound reasonable? Somehow it surprises me, as I thought such compatibility issues would be due to the burner and not the software?

There are two versions of DVD-ROM you can write with Nero, usually
termed ISO and UDF. Whichever you used, try the other. UDF is relatively
new and may not be readable on some systems where ISO is standard.

That's the issue on file size as well: UDF can handle any size that will
fit on a DVD-ROM where ISO is limited. But the limit is far larger than
your file size, so you should have not problem with ISO.

Mike
--
mrichter@cpl.net
http://www.mrichter.com/

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

Mike Richter (Slimy Friggin SOB) screeched: There are two versions of DVD-ROM you can write with Nero, usually termed ISO and UDF.

Still have not heard of "UDF/ISO Bridge", usually termed UDF/ISO ?

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From: Mike Richter (Dumb Shit)
Date: 2/15/04

I've never heard of "udf-iso"
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Mikey, you are the Slimiest Friggin SOB!
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Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

[Kevin]

Wow, let me guess, your from the USA and you cannot keep ypur toys in the
sandpit right ?

Grow up, or get back on the medication.

George S Patton.


"smh" <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41D4035D.D062D56B@mindspring.com... . -------------------------------------- Mike Richter, were you born with "Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face? -------------------------------------- "Carsten A. Arnholm" wrote: I have a "BTC external USB2.0 DVD +- R/RW writer" and I am using
CDBurnerXP Pro 3 Freeware (very good program!) for for burning data DVDs on
"Traxdata DVD-R (4x speed)" DVD disks. The disks have been burned and finalised in
one go. The contents is a simple folder strucure with some zip files,
nothing special. The burning works just fine, but there is a problem in reading the DVDs
on anything but DVD-writers (I have tested on two different DVD-RW devices
and the disks reads ok there). On several DVD players (in a desktop and a laptop) the disks are not recognised, and that sort of defeats the
purpose. The question is why can I not read the disks on standard "DVD-ROM"
devices (I hope this is the correct term), and is there anything I can do to
ensure my DVD-R disks become readable with such DVD-devices ? Sounds like some finalization problem. Recall reading a certain burner does not finalize properly until fixed with a newer firmware. Also possible CDBurnerXP does not finalize properly with the burner. Check for a newer firmware or try another software. You may also try the burn on DVD+RW which does not need finalization. ======================================================== Who Is Mike Richter and Why Are They Saying All These Horrible Things About Him? ======================================================== http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3F2D8973.EBCD8386@mindspring.com (No Pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the following is a LIBEL) ( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! ) Mike Richter is a LIAR (wife beating) Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs) Mike Richter is a LIAR (major bug) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda limit) Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (dae) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (no enhanced cd) Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd/cdr-faq) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/cd-text) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/sao/tao)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/single-session) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/plextor) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(8a) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(9a) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi) Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xii) Mike Richter is a LIAR (supplied cd) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (i) What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (ii) Mike Richter Wow! Wow! Wow! Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (i) Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (ii) Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (iii) Mike Richter & "Looooooooonng" Time for Nothing What an Asshole

[Carsten A. Arnholm]

Mike Richter wrote: Carsten A. Arnholm wrote: Someone else suggested I tried another burning program. So I tried the same thing with Nero Express that came with the DVD burner (I didn't like the GUI of Nero Express, it is less flexible than CDBurnerXP Pro). To my surprise, it seems that DVD-R disks burned with Nero Express are indeed readable on DVD players. So it may seem the problem is in the CDBurnerXP Pro software. Does that sound reasonable? Somehow it surprises me, as I thought such compatibility issues would be due to the burner and not the software? There are two versions of DVD-ROM you can write with Nero, usually termed ISO and UDF. Whichever you used, try the other. UDF is relatively new and may not be readable on some systems where ISO is standard. That's the issue on file size as well: UDF can handle any size that will fit on a DVD-ROM where ISO is limited. But the limit is far larger than your file size, so you should have not problem with ISO. Mike

Thanks for answering.

I have some experience with UDF on CD-writers (we are talking about "packet
writing", aren't we?) from a few years back, and that made me decide to stay
away from it (and programs like DirectCD). All sorts of unreadability
problems, inefficient use of CD etc. I find mastering CDs and DVDs is a
better approach for my needs. Or have these things changed now, can you do
DVD-mastering with UDF format?

I cannot see any reason why ISO should have problems. The file names are
short (would be ok in standard old fashioned DOS), and the file sizes aren't
that spectacular. As I mentioned, the disks burned with Nero Express did in
fact work, they were readable on the DVD players (same file structure). So
the problem must be in the CDBurnerXP program as far as I can tell. Maybe
some finalizing issue, it is a pity because CDBurnerXP was much more user
friendly than Nero Express.

--
Carsten A. Arnholm
http://arnholm.org/
N59.776 E10.457

[Adrian]

Kevin wrote: Wow, let me guess, your from the USA and you cannot keep ypur toys in the sandpit right ? Grow up, or get back on the medication. George S Patton. "smh" <smhong@mindspring.com> wrote in message

Did you have to repost all his drivel? Some of us have killfiled the
idiot for good reason.

[smh]

.. --------------------------------------
Mike Richter, were you born with
"Scam Artist" emblazoned on your face?
--------------------------------------

Adrian (Pipsqueak) squealed: Did you have to repost all his drivel? Some of us have killfiled the idiot for good reason.

Too dense not to force you to read, Stupid Fuck?

Only drivel, not libel?

Instead of squealing like a stuck pig, why don't prove ANY of the
following is a LIBEL?

========================================================
Who Is Mike Richter and
Why Are They Saying All These Horrible Things About Him?
========================================================
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3F2D8973.EBCD8386@mindspring.com

(No Pipsqueaks have been able to prove ANY of the following is a LIBEL)
( -- despite Mikey claimed to have proof of misquotes !! )

Mike Richter is a LIAR (wife beating)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (critical bugs)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (major bug)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda limit)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (nda)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (no secret)(ii)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (dae)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (no enhanced cd)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (enhanced-cd/cdr-faq)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/cd-text)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/sao/tao)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (cd-extra/single-session)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/winme)(ii)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/win2k)(iv)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (aspi/plextor)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(iv)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(v)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vi)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(vii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(8a)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/eject)(9a)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (i)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (iv)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (v)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vi)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (vii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (viii)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (ix)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (x)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xi)
Mike Richter is a LIAR (directcd/sparing) (xii)

Mike Richter is a LIAR (supplied cd)

What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (i)
What's wrong with Mike Richter (Tim Kroesen) (ii)

Mike Richter Wow! Wow! Wow!

Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (i)
Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (ii)
Mike Richter's Exquisite Sense of Time (iii)

Mike Richter & "Looooooooonng" Time for Nothing

What an Asshole