Very perplexing network problem.

[pickle]

Crosposted to relevent groups


I wondered if you good folks could give some ideas on a very perplexing
problem I'm having with my network at home. I am totally stumped.

The setup is as follows:
Cable modem into Linksys router
Router into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.
Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 on
the wireless hub.
Everything is DHCP.

A few weeks ago we noticed that the network would stop working and the
cable modem and router / hubs would have to be reset to restore
functionality.
This functionality would work for a short while and it would crap out
again. Reset again and the cycle repeated.
After a few days of this, resetting no longer worked.

The cable moden plugged direstly into one of the machines with no router
or hubs appeared to work continously and was solid.
Master Browser is off in the one machine.

I tried disconnecting all but one computer (back through the router and
hub), reset everything and it worked solid for days. Reconnect the
other computer and it would crap out.
It didn't matter WHICH computer was disconnected, the result was the same.

We had comcast come out and verify that the modem was ok. They said it
was. Signal was weak so he fixed it.

The problem persisted. We replaced the router, the hub, the NIC card in
the one computer and the problem was fixed for a day.
Now it's doing it again.

The problem MAY have started when I upgraded my mainboard on one machine
and the wife went fron WIN2000 to WINXP on the other.
We've done these upgrades before and noticed nothing unusual in either
operation this time.

Everything is so sporatic that we can't even pin down a fault machine or
operation.
It's completely eratic with no rhyme or reason to the troubleshooting
that we have done.
I wonder if the cable modem is at fault. I kind of doubt it but I want
them to replace it anyway.

I hope I explained this in a way that made sense.
Help??

[Butterfield]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:
Crosposted to relevent groupsI wondered if you good folks could give some ideas on a very perplexingproblem I'm having with my network at home. I am totally stumped.The setup is as follows:Cable modem into Linksys routerRouter into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 onthe wireless hub.Everything is DHCP.A few weeks ago we noticed that the network would stop working and thecable modem and router / hubs would have to be reset to restorefunctionality.This functionality would work for a short while and it would crap outagain. Reset again and the cycle repeated.After a few days of this, resetting no longer worked.The cable moden plugged direstly into one of the machines with no routeror hubs appeared to work continously and was solid.Master Browser is off in the one machine.I tried disconnecting all but one computer (back through the router andhub), reset everything and it worked solid for days. Reconnect theother computer and it would crap out.It didn't matter WHICH computer was disconnected, the result was the same.We had comcast come out and verify that the modem was ok. They said itwas. Signal was weak so he fixed it.The problem persisted. We replaced the router, the hub, the NIC card inthe one computer and the problem was fixed for a day.Now it's doing it again.The problem MAY have started when I upgraded my mainboard on one machineand the wife went fron WIN2000 to WINXP on the other.We've done these upgrades before and noticed nothing unusual in eitheroperation this time.Everything is so sporatic that we can't even pin down a fault machine oroperation.It's completely eratic with no rhyme or reason to the troubleshootingthat we have done.I wonder if the cable modem is at fault. I kind of doubt it but I wantthem to replace it anyway.I hope I explained this in a way that made sense.Help??

check the logs
Butterfield

[pickle]

Butterfield wrote:

check the logs Butterfield


Will do.

[pickle]

Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield

Ok, I checked the Event Log.

*********************************************************************
It shows warnings of:
Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the
Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being
used is 169.254.3.193.

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
**********************************************************************
And errors of:

The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with network
address 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (The
DHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message).

For more information, see Help and Support Center at
http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.
**********************************************************************

To which the link points to this information:

Explanation
The DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IP
address, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with the network.

This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaming
laptop moves from one network to another, its IP address lease might
need renewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address,
that request might go to a different server that will not extend the
lease either because it does not know about this address lease or
because it has already issued the address lease to another client.

This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give out
addresses in the same IP address range.

User Action
No user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue trying
to obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishes
the network connection on its own.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available for
this specific error or event message. For information about other
support options you can use to find answers online, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx.

****************************************************************************

I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here.
IOW...clueless.

[pickle]

pickle wrote: Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield Ok, I checked the Event Log. ********************************************************************* It shows warnings of: Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is 169.254.3.193. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** And errors of: The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (The DHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message). For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** To which the link points to this information: Explanation The DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IP address, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with the network. This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaming laptop moves from one network to another, its IP address lease might need renewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address, that request might go to a different server that will not extend the lease either because it does not know about this address lease or because it has already issued the address lease to another client. This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give out addresses in the same IP address range. User Action No user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue trying to obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishes the network connection on its own. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available for this specific error or event message. For information about other support options you can use to find answers online, see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx. **************************************************************************** I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here. IOW...clueless.


And BTW, I post this from the network in question. The cable modem is
plugged directly into the computer and working.
No router, no hub.
I just tried it WITH the router / hub and no joy.
Didn't work.
Should I just shoot myself now?

[Butterfield]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:33:05 -0500, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:
pickle wrote: Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield Ok, I checked the Event Log. ********************************************************************* It shows warnings of: Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is 169.254.3.193. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** And errors of: The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (The DHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message). For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** To which the link points to this information: Explanation The DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IP address, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with the network. This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaming laptop moves from one network to another, its IP address lease might need renewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address, that request might go to a different server that will not extend the lease either because it does not know about this address lease or because it has already issued the address lease to another client. This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give out addresses in the same IP address range. User Action No user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue trying to obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishes the network connection on its own. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available for this specific error or event message. For information about other support options you can use to find answers online, see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx. **************************************************************************** I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here. IOW...clueless.And BTW, I post this from the network in question. The cable modem isplugged directly into the computer and working.No router, no hub.I just tried it WITH the router / hub and no joy.Didn't work.Should I just shoot myself now?

I had this once and swapped out the router and sent it back to be
refurbished. If your router is not handing out i/p addresses then it
is not working. 1st: You could try doing a HARD RESET of the router
(not simply unplugging it) see if that fixes the problem or 2nd:
turning off DHCP in the router and hard code i/p addresses in your
machines. Be sure to code the DNS servers with the i/p address in
your NIC. You can get these from the settings currently in the router.


Butterfield

[CWatters]

"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message
news:VMidnT3hIcOkPmPcRVn-vg@comcast.com... Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield Ok, I checked the Event Log. ********************************************************************* It shows warnings of: Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is 169.254.3.193.

I think that's the problem. I think it means that PC didn't get assigned a
local 192. IP address by DHCP so it assigned itself 169.etc.

Normally the router is set up to act as the DHCP server. Are you switching
off power to the router when you switch off the computer? eg all on the same
power strip? Perhaps the PC is powering up and trying to get an IP before
the router is awake?

[Tony]

"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message
news:VMidnT3hIcOkPmPcRVn-vg@comcast.com... Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield Ok, I checked the Event Log. ********************************************************************* It shows warnings of: Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is 169.254.3.193. For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** And errors of: The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (The DHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message). For more information, see Help and Support Center at http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp. ********************************************************************** To which the link points to this information: Explanation The DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IP address, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with the network. This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaming laptop moves from one network to another, its IP address lease might need renewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address, that request might go to a different server that will not extend the lease either because it does not know about this address lease or because it has already issued the address lease to another client. This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give out addresses in the same IP address range. User Action No user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue trying to obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishes the network connection on its own. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available for this specific error or event message. For information about other support options you can use to find answers online, see http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx. **************************************************************************** I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here. IOW...clueless.

169.254.3.193 is an IP address allocated by windows when it can't connect to
a DHCP server.

Do you just have the router set up as a DHCP server. AFAIK the Linksys
wireless hub (do you mean wireless access point?) can also be a DHCP server.
Make sure you have it turned off. Also make sure that the wireless access
point and router don't have the same IP address (192.168.1.1 sounds like the
IP address of the router). You may need to change the IP address of the WAP
as Linksys sometimes use IP addresses in the 192.168.0.xxx range. Change it
to something like 192.168.1.150. Check if you can restrict DHCP IP
addresses allocated by the router and restrict them to something like
192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.149 so that it doesn't try to allocate the IP
address used by the WAP.

Also make sure that no PC's have internet connection sharing activated (ICS)
as you shouldn't need it with a router. ICS also acts as a DHCP server but
if all the PC's are set to receive an IP address allocated automatically
then that should be fine.

You can't have more than one DHCP server on a network.

Make sure all the PC's have the same workgroup name (go to control panel,
click on system then computer name tab). Computer description should be
unique for each PC. Workgroup should be the same. If you need to change
it, click on the change button at the bottom.

If none of that is relevant, come back and I'll have another think.

[pickle]

Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:33:05 -0500, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:pickle wrote:Butterfield wrote:>On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:>>check the logs>ButterfieldOk, I checked the Event Log.*********************************************************************It shows warnings of:Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for theNetwork Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address beingused is 169.254.3.193.For more information, see Help and Support Center athttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.**********************************************************************And errors of:The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with networkaddress 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (TheDHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message).For more information, see Help and Support Center athttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.**********************************************************************To which the link points to this information:ExplanationThe DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IPaddress, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with the network.This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaminglaptop moves from one network to another, its IP address lease mightneed renewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address,that request might go to a different server that will not extend thelease either because it does not know about this address lease orbecause it has already issued the address lease to another client.This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give outaddresses in the same IP address range.User ActionNo user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue tryingto obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishesthe network connection on its own.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available forthis specific error or event message. For information about othersupport options you can use to find answers online, seehttp://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx.****************************************************************************I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here.IOW...clueless.And BTW, I post this from the network in question. The cable modem isplugged directly into the computer and working.No router, no hub.I just tried it WITH the router / hub and no joy.Didn't work.Should I just shoot myself now? I had this once and swapped out the router and sent it back to be refurbished. If your router is not handing out i/p addresses then it is not working. 1st: You could try doing a HARD RESET of the router (not simply unplugging it) see if that fixes the problem or 2nd: turning off DHCP in the router and hard code i/p addresses in your machines. Be sure to code the DNS servers with the i/p address in your NIC. You can get these from the settings currently in the router. Butterfield

It's a whole brand new router and hub. Brand spanking new out of the
box. I too, thought router / hub prob so I bought new ones.

However, I didn't do a hard reset or go static IP. I'll try that.
Additional note:
I just (moments ago) reinstalled XP on the wifes machine. Whereas
before (unlike mine), it would not connect with the modem directly into
the NIC card (mine would), it now does. Too early in the process to
know for sure just yet, but it's different now.
Something is different.
I'm thinking a hosed XP install but I want to explore other ideas as
well because I don't know for sure yet.
NOW she tells me that she had trouble with the first XP install and
Nortons reported 89 registry errors.
That's a bit too many.
Maybe the bad XP install was reaching out and touching the rest of the
network in a not-so-good way.
Keep the ideas coming, if you don't mind. I do appreciate it.
I'll keep posting the results, good or bad for you to see if you're
interested as well for anyone else that may have similar probs.
Maybe it'll help them as well.
I'm all ears
and I thank you.
PIC

[pickle]

CWatters wrote:
"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:VMidnT3hIcOkPmPcRVn-vg@comcast.com...Butterfield wrote:On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:check the logsButterfieldOk, I checked the Event Log.*********************************************************************It shows warnings of:Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for theNetwork Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address beingused is 169.254.3.193. I think that's the problem. I think it means that PC didn't get assigned a local 192. IP address by DHCP so it assigned itself 169.etc. Normally the router is set up to act as the DHCP server. Are you switching off power to the router when you switch off the computer? eg all on the same power strip? Perhaps the PC is powering up and trying to get an IP before the router is awake?

Under normal circumstances, the router / hub are on all the time,
regardless if the computer(s) are on or off.

For the purposes of resetting, the procedure I follow is:
Power off to everything.
After 60 seconds, power up the modem.
After another 60 seconds, power up the router / hubs.
After another 60 seconds, power up the computer.

Is that what you meant?

And still (all evening) only my machine with the modem directly to the
NIC card (no router, no hub).
Solid as a rock. No cutouts yet.
Still posting from the network in question.

[pickle]

Tony wrote:
"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:VMidnT3hIcOkPmPcRVn-vg@comcast.com...Butterfield wrote:On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:check the logsButterfieldOk, I checked the Event Log.*********************************************************************It shows warnings of:Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the NetworkCard with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is169.254.3.193.For more information, see Help and Support Center athttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.**********************************************************************And errors of:The IP address lease 192.168.1.100 for the Network Card with networkaddress 0050DAC46AF2 has been denied by the DHCP server 192.168.1.1 (TheDHCP Server sent a DHCPNACK message).For more information, see Help and Support Center athttp://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/events.asp.**********************************************************************To which the link points to this information:ExplanationThe DHCP Server service did not extend the lease on your computer's IPaddress, so your computer temporarily lost its connection with thenetwork.This could be caused by a scope change. For example, when a roaming laptopmoves from one network to another, its IP address lease might needrenewal. When the DHCP Client service tries to renew the address, thatrequest might go to a different server that will not extend the leaseeither because it does not know about this address lease or because it hasalready issued the address lease to another client.This also happens when two DHCP servers are configured to give outaddresses in the same IP address range.User ActionNo user action is required. The DHCP Client service will continue tryingto obtain a working IP address until it succeeds, and DHCP establishes thenetwork connection on its own.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Currently there are no Microsoft Knowledge Base articles available forthis specific error or event message. For information about other supportoptions you can use to find answers online, seehttp://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx.****************************************************************************I'm still at a loss. I confess that I am out of my league here.IOW...clueless. 169.254.3.193 is an IP address allocated by windows when it can't connect to a DHCP server. Do you just have the router set up as a DHCP server. AFAIK the Linksys wireless hub (do you mean wireless access point?) can also be a DHCP server. Make sure you have it turned off. Also make sure that the wireless access point and router don't have the same IP address (192.168.1.1 sounds like the IP address of the router). You may need to change the IP address of the WAP as Linksys sometimes use IP addresses in the 192.168.0.xxx range. Change it to something like 192.168.1.150. Check if you can restrict DHCP IP addresses allocated by the router and restrict them to something like 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.149 so that it doesn't try to allocate the IP address used by the WAP. Also make sure that no PC's have internet connection sharing activated (ICS) as you shouldn't need it with a router. ICS also acts as a DHCP server but if all the PC's are set to receive an IP address allocated automatically then that should be fine. You can't have more than one DHCP server on a network. Make sure all the PC's have the same workgroup name (go to control panel, click on system then computer name tab). Computer description should be unique for each PC. Workgroup should be the same. If you need to change it, click on the change button at the bottom. If none of that is relevant, come back and I'll have another think.
Workgroup names are the same. Computer descriptions are blank as I
thought these were optional.
The rest of what you said, I'll get back to you soon. Some of it is new
to me and I'll have to figure out how to do what you said.....but I will.
I will come back with the results and let you know.

Thank you. You guys are great.
PIC

[Butterfield]

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:
The setup is as follows:Cable modem into Linksys routerRouter into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 onthe wireless hub.Everything is DHCP.

With only 2 wired computers there should be ports you can use to
plug in and eliminate 1 hub.
Butterfield

[pickle]

Butterfield wrote:
On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:The setup is as follows:Cable modem into Linksys routerRouter into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 onthe wireless hub.Everything is DHCP. With only 2 wired computers there should be ports you can use to plug in and eliminate 1 hub. Butterfield

The old one didn't but the new one does.

[Tony]

"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:HrKdndUzRIslf2PcRVn->

<SNIP>Workgroup names are the same. Computer descriptions are blank as I thoughtthese were optional.
<SNIP>

Unless someone else knows otherwise, I believe you do need to give them
unique names. You cannot have two PC's on a network with the same name. By
all being blank, the DHCP server may be thinking computer with name "blank"
has already been allocated an IP address so it won't allocate another IP
address.

If you are still having problems, it would be helpful if you could let us
know the make and models of the router, hub and wireless (hub) access point
so I can look up the technical specs to see if anything else needs setting
up.

Hope you get it working soon!

[daytripper]

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:26:46 -0000, "Tony" <ttiger@lineone.net> wrote:
"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:HrKdndUzRIslf2PcRVn-><SNIP>Workgroup names are the same. Computer descriptions are blank as I thoughtthese were optional.<SNIP>Unless someone else knows otherwise, I believe you do need to give themunique names. You cannot have two PC's on a network with the same name. Byall being blank, the DHCP server may be thinking computer with name "blank"has already been allocated an IP address so it won't allocate another IPaddress.

[snipped]

fwiw, on 2K and XP Pro, for two, "Computer Description" /= "Computer Name".

You must indeed have a (unique!) Computer Name, but you don't need any
Computer Description (the field that shows up as "Comment" next to the "Name"
column in Network Places)...

/daytripper

[CWatters]

"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message
news:26CdnRMXOc--fGPcRVn-vg@comcast.com... Under normal circumstances, the router / hub are on all the time, regardless if the computer(s) are on or off.

Yes that's the best scheme. Leave the modem, router and hub powered up all
the time and just switch off the PCs.

[CWatters]

"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mmvvv01aejejcqdgm783dmcbqhe7k9c47h@4ax.com...
You must indeed have a (unique!) Computer Name,

I second that.

Common practice is to set your workgroup to a collective noun (ex Flowers or
Planets) and name your PC's.... Earth, Mars Venus etc

Avoid spaces in workgroup and PC names. Some network protocols have a
problem with this (so I'm told).

[CWatters]

"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message
news:sJSdnVDXTdL6QmPcRVn-rw@comcast.com... However, I didn't do a hard reset or go static IP. I'll try that.

You shouldn't need to set static IP but trying that might confirm that the
problem is with the allocation process.

Try numbers like..

192.168.1.103
192.168.1.104
192.168.1.105 etc

Because the route may choose 192.168.1.100 for itself

[Tony]

"daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mmvvv01aejejcqdgm783dmcbqhe7k9c47h@4ax.com... On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:26:46 -0000, "Tony" <ttiger@lineone.net> wrote:"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:HrKdndUzRIslf2PcRVn-><SNIP>Workgroup names are the same. Computer descriptions are blank as Ithoughtthese were optional.<SNIP>Unless someone else knows otherwise, I believe you do need to give themunique names. You cannot have two PC's on a network with the same name.Byall being blank, the DHCP server may be thinking computer with name"blank"has already been allocated an IP address so it won't allocate another IPaddress. [snipped] fwiw, on 2K and XP Pro, for two, "Computer Description" /= "Computer Name". You must indeed have a (unique!) Computer Name, but you don't need any Computer Description (the field that shows up as "Comment" next to the "Name" column in Network Places)... /daytripper

Thanks for that, just realised my error in the first post. I meant computer
"names" not "description" should be unique in my first post. Didn't notice
what I had typed until I just re-read my original post. More care, less
Stella is called for I think!!

[pickle]

pickle wrote:
Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: The setup is as follows: Cable modem into Linksys router Router into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub. Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 on the wireless hub. Everything is DHCP. With only 2 wired computers there should be ports you can use to plug in and eliminate 1 hub. Butterfield The old one didn't but the new one does.

All suggestions have been followed. Still no joy.
I'm starting to get a bit irriteted at this thing.
Totally out of ideas.
Any more on your end anyone??

Thanks,
PIC

[pickle]

pickle wrote:
pickle wrote: Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:> The setup is as follows:> Cable modem into Linksys router> Router into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.> Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running> Win98 on the wireless hub.> Everything is DHCP. With only 2 wired computers there should be ports you can use to plug in and eliminate 1 hub. Butterfield The old one didn't but the new one does. All suggestions have been followed. Still no joy. I'm starting to get a bit irriteted at this thing. Totally out of ideas. Any more on your end anyone?? Thanks, PIC

I'll come back with router names and models as suggested.
I forgot to do that.

Thanks.

[Not-My-Real-Name]

"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote in message
news:_LyLd.20$zd4.62526@phobos.telenet-ops.be... "pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message news:VMidnT3hIcOkPmPcRVn-vg@comcast.com... Butterfield wrote: On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote: check the logs Butterfield Ok, I checked the Event Log. ********************************************************************* It shows warnings of: Your computer has automatically configured the IP address for the Network Card with network address 0050DAC46AF2. The IP address being used is 169.254.3.193. I think that's the problem. I think it means that PC didn't get assigned a local 192. IP address by DHCP so it assigned itself 169.etc.

This can also happen if your machines are infected with LSP based
trojans/virus.
As a matter of fact I just fixed one like this yesterday.

Machine could PING machines on other subnets (I had to hard code the
192.168.1.x address, it was getting 169.x.x.x).

However nslookup, tracert, PINGs, etc failed to any external address.

The machine failed after running a Spyware remover by the user. Apparently
these LSP based trojans/viruses hack into your IP stack and mess with it.
Once removed, they can hose the dll files required for proper TCP/IP
function.

This may explain behavior relating to the desktops, but in this case there
may be an underlying issue with how these bridges are connected. Diagram
please! ;-)

[Not-My-Real-Name]

"CWatters" <colin.watters@pandoraBOX.be> wrote in message
news:1DTLd.966$8M.179346@phobos.telenet-ops.be... "daytripper" <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message news:mmvvv01aejejcqdgm783dmcbqhe7k9c47h@4ax.com... You must indeed have a (unique!) Computer Name, I second that. Common practice is to set your workgroup to a collective noun (ex Flowers or Planets) and name your PC's.... Earth, Mars Venus etc Avoid spaces in workgroup and PC names. Some network protocols have a problem with this (so I'm told).

You can have duplicate names, it would depend on the protocols used.
However not usually when using MS networking.

Underscores and blanks are a no no using DNS so it would be best not to use
these.

I personally have never tried creating two machines with the same names but
in different workgroups. I should try it just for fun.

[TweetyB]

Disable the DHCP server in the router and use static IPs, DNS, and Gateway
entries on the systems. If you are using a Linksys router, they are the
worst of all for stability, especially when DHCP is enabled.

[TweetyB]

Disable the DHCP server in the router and use static IPs, DNS, and Gateway
entries on the systems. If you are using a Linksys router, they are the
worst of all for stability, especially when DHCP is enabled.

[Tom Scales]

"TweetyB" <Tweety@OnThe.net> wrote in message
news:6c91ebf27e15fc29cc0e302446a4e19f@localhost.talkaboutcomputing.com... Disable the DHCP server in the router and use static IPs, DNS, and Gateway entries on the systems. If you are using a Linksys router, they are the worst of all for stability, especially when DHCP is enabled.
Mine's been stable for yeats, DHCP and all.

[pickle]

pickle wrote: pickle wrote: pickle wrote: Butterfield wrote:> On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:41:56 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:>>>> The setup is as follows:>> Cable modem into Linksys router>> Router into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub.>> Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running>> Win98 on the wireless hub.>> Everything is DHCP.>

Sorry fot the delay in getting back. It's hard to troubleshoot when you
only get a half hour or so per day to do so. It makes it time consuming.

I'm beginning to see a pattern emerge.
Each desktop, by itself with no other machine hooked to the network
(including the wireless) seems to connect and run just fine.
I ran mine and it stayed connected for about an hour until I shut it down.
I ran the wife's all night and in the morning, it was still connected.
I'd like to run mine for a day or so as well to see.

Anyway, the appearence is that it is a conflict between the machines. I
have a hard time with this because we are using the same settings that
we have used for several years with no problems.

This leaves the wireless connection. I guess the wireless hub could be
backfeeding or something and knocking out the router. The settings in
the network config of the wireless laptop are also the same as they have
been for a long time with no problems.

I wonder what in a wireless hub would cause this. I'll be more
conclusive in a few days when I have been able to leave each machine
connected, by itself, and see if it cuts out.

Or I could run out and get a new wireless hub but I don't want to do
that at this stage.

What do you guys think of this?

[RS]

One thing that might solve your problem is to plug your modem directly into
the wireless hub uplink port. From there, plug your LAN computers directly
into the wireless hub.

Is there a specific reason you are routing to a linksys hub and then
wireless hub? Your signals might be degrading too much in the cross over...

You might be able to do without the linksys hub, if your wireless hub allows
for LAN connections (which most do).

-RS
"pickle" <pickle@iddb.net> wrote in message
news:8lsLd.1687$qB3.749@chiapp18.algx.net... Crosposted to relevent groups I wondered if you good folks could give some ideas on a very perplexing problem I'm having with my network at home. I am totally stumped. The setup is as follows: Cable modem into Linksys router Router into Linksys hub and on to Linksys wireless hub. Two computers running WinXP wired to hub and one laptop running Win98 on the wireless hub. Everything is DHCP. A few weeks ago we noticed that the network would stop working and the cable modem and router / hubs would have to be reset to restore functionality. This functionality would work for a short while and it would crap out again. Reset again and the cycle repeated. After a few days of this, resetting no longer worked. The cable moden plugged direstly into one of the machines with no router or hubs appeared to work continously and was solid. Master Browser is off in the one machine. I tried disconnecting all but one computer (back through the router and hub), reset everything and it worked solid for days. Reconnect the other computer and it would crap out. It didn't matter WHICH computer was disconnected, the result was the same. We had comcast come out and verify that the modem was ok. They said it was. Signal was weak so he fixed it. The problem persisted. We replaced the router, the hub, the NIC card in the one computer and the problem was fixed for a day. Now it's doing it again. The problem MAY have started when I upgraded my mainboard on one machine and the wife went fron WIN2000 to WINXP on the other. We've done these upgrades before and noticed nothing unusual in either operation this time. Everything is so sporatic that we can't even pin down a fault machine or operation. It's completely eratic with no rhyme or reason to the troubleshooting that we have done. I wonder if the cable modem is at fault. I kind of doubt it but I want them to replace it anyway. I hope I explained this in a way that made sense. Help??

[pickle]

RS wrote: One thing that might solve your problem is to plug your modem directly into the wireless hub uplink port. From there, plug your LAN computers directly into the wireless hub. Is there a specific reason you are routing to a linksys hub and then wireless hub? Your signals might be degrading too much in the cross over... You might be able to do without the linksys hub, if your wireless hub allows for LAN connections (which most do). -RS

The wireless hub does not allow for this. However, we purchased a
better Linksys router with a hub built in so that elininated the LAN hub.
Now we just have the router / hub combo and the wireless hub.


Two days and the system is still up with only the wife's machine plugged
in. It's a slow way to troubleshoot but it's probably effective.

[Butterfield]

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:16:09 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:
All suggestions have been followed.

really?? And it's still not working? Even with hard coded i/p
addresses? What error msgs do you get in the log when you did that??
Butterfield

[pickle]

Butterfield wrote:
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:16:09 GMT, pickle <pickle@iddb.net> wrote:All suggestions have been followed. really?? And it's still not working? Even with hard coded i/p addresses? What error msgs do you get in the log when you did that?? Butterfield

I'll check and let you know. I am doing some further troubleshooting
steps and so far it looks good. I'll know more in a couple of days.

PIC