Modern Intel Hardware Compatibility

[James Bauer]

Hello Everyone,

I'm a relative newbie who happens to have a bunch of nice NeXT stuff that I
really want to begin exploring. My first goal has been accomplished some
time ago, and that was to get NS3.3 and OS4.2 running on Intel hardware.
This was done on an old Celeron 300. It was a bunch of fun, but that machine
has now become my BeOS web/email server and is therefore not available for
playtime. I'm now interested in buying new hardware and making a real
top-of-the-line NS or OS machine. I've tried my hardest to search Google,
the Apple Knowledge Base Archive, and all the FAQ's known to me, and I still
can't find any sources that can point me towards what
motherboards/processors/memory are going to work. If anyone knows what
MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors work?)
range, or has links to sites which describe it all, I would be overjoyed to
hear all about it.

Thanks in advance for any help,
James Bauer

Future Goals:
- Gain access to my Mono NeXTStation & 030 Cube
- Mono NeXTStation & 030 Cube connected to router for Cable modem
connectivity!!

[Guest]

In <M-adnejtW9Wf0rjdRVn-tw@comcast.com> "James Bauer" wrote: Hello Everyone,
[...] MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors
work?)

Yes, at least Athlon's. MB recommendation is for my case not relevant,
because it's too old and not available anymore.
But if you consider to buy an old one over eBay e.g. shoot for a GigaByte
7IXE. All three bus types, what means in turn you can run a old SB16 with
EISA bus, you can run MATROX G450 over AGP, and you have a bunch of PCI
slots available, beside 768MB main memory.

Henry


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[James Bauer]

Hi Henry,

Thanks for the suggestions! I've been looking around, and that MB seems hard
to find. There's one up on eBay at the moment with an Athlon 700MHz. Which
is probably way more then I really need, as I'm really just doing this for
fun. So I definitly considering that purchase as an option.

I am still curious to learn more about what hardware works and if anyone
keeps track of it on a website. For example the BeOS community has
frizbe.net which allows users to post hardware and the level of success
they've had getting BeOS to run on it. It would be great if something like
this existed for the NS/OS community. So again, if anyone has more to add to
what Henry has already graciously stated, please share! I've seen some
benchmarks of people running OS 4.2 on what were reported to be P4 2.4 GHz
machines, and I would love to hear about what hardware everyone is running
on!

Thanks again Henry, and anyone else who wants to share!
James Bauer


<Henry@Koplien.de> wrote in message news:HsryLs.7uK@news.koplien.de... In <M-adnejtW9Wf0rjdRVn-tw@comcast.com> "James Bauer" wrote: Hello Everyone, [...] MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors work?) Yes, at least Athlon's. MB recommendation is for my case not relevant, because it's too old and not available anymore. But if you consider to buy an old one over eBay e.g. shoot for a GigaByte 7IXE. All three bus types, what means in turn you can run a old SB16 with EISA bus, you can run MATROX G450 over AGP, and you have a bunch of PCI slots available, beside 768MB main memory. Henry -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- snail mail : Henry Koplien \|/ From the Center of Nowhere o(O O)o ---- eMail : Henry@NiKo-Internetpraesenz.de ----ooOo---(_)---oOoo-----

[Timothy Van Zandt]

James Bauer wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a relative newbie who happens to have a bunch of nice NeXT stuff that I really want to begin exploring. My first goal has been accomplished some time ago, and that was to get NS3.3 and OS4.2 running on Intel hardware. This was done on an old Celeron 300. It was a bunch of fun, but that machine has now become my BeOS web/email server and is therefore not available for playtime. I'm now interested in buying new hardware and making a real top-of-the-line NS or OS machine. I've tried my hardest to search Google, the Apple Knowledge Base Archive, and all the FAQ's known to me, and I still can't find any sources that can point me towards what motherboards/processors/memory are going to work. If anyone knows what MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors work?) range, or has links to sites which describe it all, I would be overjoyed to hear all about it.

I've never heard of a MB/Intel combination not working. I just installed
on a brand new Dell Precision 360 Workstation, with P-IV 2.4Ghz, 800mhz
FSB, HT. You can find the name of the intel chipset at the Dell site.
There was no problem (though EIDE DMA bus mastering does not work). Of
course, there is no hope to have sound, since there are no legacy ISA
slots to put an old soundblaster card if you happened to have one. The
real problem is getting a compatible video card.

Note that I installed on a 40gb hard drive. My experience in working
with a drive this size is that you want to create the NextStep partition
with linux. I use the "tomsrtbt" linux-on-a-floppy for this purpose
(fdisk). Finally, if you want to have a single 4gb NextStep partition on
this disk, you need to format (disk -i) from a working setup with
OpenStep 4.2 Patch 4. I can send you notes I took on my last
installation if you want.

tim van zandt

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In <GJ2_b.42438$M8.30161@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> Timothy Van Zandt wrote: James Bauer wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a relative newbie who happens to have a bunch of nice NeXT stuff
that I really want to begin exploring. My first goal has been accomplished
some time ago, and that was to get NS3.3 and OS4.2 running on Intel
hardware. This was done on an old Celeron 300. It was a bunch of fun, but that
machine has now become my BeOS web/email server and is therefore not
available for playtime. I'm now interested in buying new hardware and making a real top-of-the-line NS or OS machine. I've tried my hardest to search
Google, the Apple Knowledge Base Archive, and all the FAQ's known to me, and
I still can't find any sources that can point me towards what motherboards/processors/memory are going to work. If anyone knows
what MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors
work?) range, or has links to sites which describe it all, I would be
overjoyed to hear all about it. I've never heard of a MB/Intel combination not working. I just
installed on a brand new Dell Precision 360 Workstation, with P-IV 2.4Ghz, 800mhz FSB, HT. You can find the name of the intel chipset at the Dell site. There was no problem (though EIDE DMA bus mastering does not work). Of course, there is no hope to have sound, since there are no legacy ISA slots to put an old soundblaster card if you happened to have one. The real problem is getting a compatible video card. Note that I installed on a 40gb hard drive. My experience in working with a drive this size is that you want to create the NextStep
partition with linux. I use the "tomsrtbt" linux-on-a-floppy for this purpose (fdisk). Finally, if you want to have a single 4gb NextStep partition
on this disk, you need to format (disk -i) from a working setup with OpenStep 4.2 Patch 4. I can send you notes I took on my last installation if you want. tim van zandt

For sound follow the appropriate threads, at least playback is available
with PCI also.

Henry
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[FredBear]

I suggest those who want ISA slots look at
industrial motherboards. There are a few around.
Itox (www.itox.com) has boards that have ISA slots.
I have a couple Itox CB60-BX boards. These are socket
370 boards that accept up to a PIII/1000 MHz. They
have 3 ISA slots and use the BX chipset. The PIIX
EIDE driver works with this chipset. (Itox appears
to be the same as DFI, though these boards are more
rigorously tested and more expensive.) I recently
saw that SuperMicro is making a Pentium 4 board
with 800 MHz bus, called the P4SCA.
Just Servers (www.just-servers.com) has a
good selection of motherboards and single-board
computers with passive ISA/PCI backplanes that
might work with NEXTSTEP.

Some of the industrial motherboards have watchdog
timers, of which I am nearly completely ignorant.
I don't know if NEXTSTEP will run on them without
a special driver or program to disable the watchdog
timer. Perhaps someone else will post what they
know about this issue.

--
Theodore J. Allen
Assistant Professor of Physics
Hobart & William Smith Colleges


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"Timothy Van Zandt" <tvz@copper.net> wrote in message
news:GJ2_b.42438$M8.30161@nwrdny02.gnilink.net... James Bauer wrote: Hello Everyone, I'm a relative newbie who happens to have a bunch of nice NeXT stuff
that I really want to begin exploring. My first goal has been accomplished some time ago, and that was to get NS3.3 and OS4.2 running on Intel hardware. This was done on an old Celeron 300. It was a bunch of fun, but that
machine has now become my BeOS web/email server and is therefore not available
for playtime. I'm now interested in buying new hardware and making a real top-of-the-line NS or OS machine. I've tried my hardest to search
Google, the Apple Knowledge Base Archive, and all the FAQ's known to me, and I
still can't find any sources that can point me towards what motherboards/processors/memory are going to work. If anyone knows what MB/Procs can be used in the Pentium 3 or 4 (do any AMD processors work?) range, or has links to sites which describe it all, I would be overjoyed
to hear all about it. I've never heard of a MB/Intel combination not working. I just installed on a brand new Dell Precision 360 Workstation, with P-IV 2.4Ghz, 800mhz FSB, HT. You can find the name of the intel chipset at the Dell site. There was no problem (though EIDE DMA bus mastering does not work). Of course, there is no hope to have sound, since there are no legacy ISA slots to put an old soundblaster card if you happened to have one. The real problem is getting a compatible video card. Note that I installed on a 40gb hard drive. My experience in working with a drive this size is that you want to create the NextStep partition with linux. I use the "tomsrtbt" linux-on-a-floppy for this purpose (fdisk). Finally, if you want to have a single 4gb NextStep partition on this disk, you need to format (disk -i) from a working setup with OpenStep 4.2 Patch 4. I can send you notes I took on my last installation if you want. tim van zandt