B&W 17" NeXT monitor

[vince]

Hi,

I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is almost
inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of monitor? In
fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like LCDs) due
to lack of space.

Regards

vince

[kenjay]

vince wrote: Hi, I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is almost inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of monitor? In fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like LCDs) due to lack of space. Regards vince
I don't think so. The NeXT systems which require only a B&W monitor,
MUST ONLY use a NeXT B&W monitor. There are NO other options.

If you had a COLOR NeXT system, the options are much improved. I believe
that you can use an LCD monitor which has a resolution of 1280 [with the
proper adapters 13W3 to VGA].

Please correct me if I am wrong.

[beldar]

kenjay wrote: If you had a COLOR NeXT system, the options are much improved. I
believe that you can use an LCD monitor which has a resolution of 1280 [with the proper adapters 13W3 to VGA]. Please correct me if I am wrong.

yeah, somebody jump in on this if they know. I know diddly about LCD
monitors and whether they do sync on green or not, but I'd like to.

[Martijn van Buul]

It occurred to me that vince wrote in comp.sys.next.hardware: Hi, I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is almost inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of monitor?

Yes, and no.

The resolution and refresh rate shouldn't be an issue for most modern
monitors, but there's a caveat:

Keyboard, mouse and sound handling is done by the NeXT monitor as well.
Fortunately, it's doing this on a small seperate print. Unless you have access
to a (dead) NeXT monitor and you can salvage this print, or you have access
to a soundbox for a Color machine (Which is basicly the same thing), there's
no go. If you do have a soundbox, you could build a converter to an SVGA
plug, or something like that. Googleing for a pinout could help.
In fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like LCDs) due to lack of space.

This will not work, unfortunately. A LCD or TFT panel will only give an
acceptable image at its native resolution (mostly 1024x768 or 1280x1024 these
days). I don't think there's an LCD panel at the resolution of a NeXTStation
(which is 1120 x 832)

--
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Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...' Isaac Asimov

[vince]

Martijn van Buul wrote:
It occurred to me that vince wrote in comp.sys.next.hardware: Hi, I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is almost inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of monitor? Yes, and no. The resolution and refresh rate shouldn't be an issue for most modern monitors, but there's a caveat: Keyboard, mouse and sound handling is done by the NeXT monitor as well. Fortunately, it's doing this on a small seperate print. Unless you have access to a (dead) NeXT monitor and you can salvage this print, or you have access to a soundbox for a Color machine (Which is basicly the same thing), there's no go. If you do have a soundbox, you could build a converter to an SVGA plug, or something like that. Googleing for a pinout could help. In fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like LCDs) due to lack of space. This will not work, unfortunately. A LCD or TFT panel will only give an acceptable image at its native resolution (mostly 1024x768 or 1280x1024 these days). I don't think there's an LCD panel at the resolution of a NeXTStation (which is 1120 x 832)
Thanks for your explanations.

Well, I am waiting for my cube and I dont really know the type of connector
that I will find on the back. Do you think I can use a soundbox designed
for the slab and use it directly to get keyboard mouse and sound out of my
cube? It will resolve a part of the problem.

The second part is to send the B&W signal to a monitor. I will build some
adapter if it is only a connector problem, but I am not shure to find a
monitor able to display b&W. The only one I found in Paris that maybe could
do the job are the old mac ones.

regards

[David Evans]

In article <405783f0$0$311$626a14ce@news.free.fr>,
vince <nextcomputer@free.fr> wrote:Well, I am waiting for my cube and I dont really know the type of connectorthat I will find on the back.

It's the "usual" NeXT 19-pin (that's right, isn't it?) connector.
Do you think I can use a soundbox designedfor the slab and use it directly to get keyboard mouse and sound out of mycube? It will resolve a part of the problem.

That should work fine provided your cube either has the new power supply
or has sufficient drain on the -12V line. The worst that will happen is
that it will turn off after a few seconds...nothing will break, at least.
The second part is to send the B&W signal to a monitor. I will build someadapter if it is only a connector problem, but I am not shure to find amonitor able to display b&W. The only one I found in Paris that maybe coulddo the job are the old mac ones.

You can likely send the same signal to all three of R, G, and B and end
up with a greyscale picture. However, this assumes that the inputs are
high impedance. I can't remember whether they are or not.

--
David Evans dfevans@bbcr.uwaterloo.ca
Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Charles Dvorak]

I can't believe you guys are still out there.

Here's the Keyboard/Mouse/Sound Schematic
from the Color Slab 33. The Schematic for the
Color Cube 3 is the same except for ID tags.

If you need them I've got more.

The board in the mono monitor was factory
identical to the board in the Sound Box. A bit
of modular production. I vaguely remember
the schematic for this board was floating around
sometime around the point I got ahold of the
cube, slab and nd schematics.

Charles Dvorak
Graphic Designer for
Speed Channel
Stamford, CT 06906
cdvorak@optonline.net




Martijn van Buul wrote:
It occurred to me that vince wrote in comp.sys.next.hardware: Hi, I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is almost inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of monitor? Yes, and no. The resolution and refresh rate shouldn't be an issue for most modern monitors, but there's a caveat: Keyboard, mouse and sound handling is done by the NeXT monitor as well. Fortunately, it's doing this on a small seperate print. Unless you have access to a (dead) NeXT monitor and you can salvage this print, or you have access to a soundbox for a Color machine (Which is basicly the same thing), there's no go. If you do have a soundbox, you could build a converter to an SVGA plug, or something like that. Googleing for a pinout could help. In fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like LCDs) due to lack of space. This will not work, unfortunately. A LCD or TFT panel will only give an acceptable image at its native resolution (mostly 1024x768 or 1280x1024 these days). I don't think there's an LCD panel at the resolution of a NeXTStation (which is 1120 x 832) -- Martijn van Buul - Pienjo@c64.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...' Isaac Asimov

[Dave Huseby]

I'd love to see this schematic but there appears to be nothing attached to
your post. Could you send us a link?

Dave Huseby


"Charles Dvorak" <cdvorak@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:40580B72.A538DCB2@optonline.net... I can't believe you guys are still out there. Here's the Keyboard/Mouse/Sound Schematic from the Color Slab 33. The Schematic for the Color Cube 3 is the same except for ID tags. If you need them I've got more. The board in the mono monitor was factory identical to the board in the Sound Box. A bit of modular production. I vaguely remember the schematic for this board was floating around sometime around the point I got ahold of the cube, slab and nd schematics. Charles Dvorak Graphic Designer for Speed Channel Stamford, CT 06906 cdvorak@optonline.net Martijn van Buul wrote: It occurred to me that vince wrote in comp.sys.next.hardware: Hi, I am looking to replace the origial NeXT B&W monitor because it is
almost inpossible to find one here. Is it possible use another type of
monitor? Yes, and no. The resolution and refresh rate shouldn't be an issue for most modern monitors, but there's a caveat: Keyboard, mouse and sound handling is done by the NeXT monitor as well. Fortunately, it's doing this on a small seperate print. Unless you have
access to a (dead) NeXT monitor and you can salvage this print, or you have
access to a soundbox for a Color machine (Which is basicly the same thing),
there's no go. If you do have a soundbox, you could build a converter to an SVGA plug, or something like that. Googleing for a pinout could help. In fact, the best solution would be to fine a flatpanel (just like
LCDs) due to lack of space. This will not work, unfortunately. A LCD or TFT panel will only give an acceptable image at its native resolution (mostly 1024x768 or 1280x1024
these days). I don't think there's an LCD panel at the resolution of a
NeXTStation (which is 1120 x 832) -- Martijn van Buul - Pienjo@c64.org - http://www.stack.nl/~martijnb/ Geek code: G-- - Visit OuterSpace: mud.stack.nl 3333 The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not 'Eureka!' (I found it!) but 'That's funny ...' Isaac
Asimov