NeXT Cube issues, booting and wanted stuff

[Richard Kilpatrick]

Just got an original '030 Cube in tolerable condition. It had a 40Mb HD and
was clearly configured to netboot. No optical drives (two blanking plates).

The 4000A had been dropped and the case is smashed, so I need a new case in
the UK for the 4000A. (I also need a cable, I'm using a borrowed one). I
could live with just the front panel. Horrid mechanical design of monitor,
the tube falls out when you remove the front! Argh!

Tube is dim. Is there a compatible tube at all?

My friend loaned me his 4000 (dead, suspected - initially to get the casing,
but it lacks the microphone moulding and also, the back doesn't seem to fit
despite apparently being identical!), and it is painfully dim, plus
'wobbles' when first powered up. It wasn't dead, the connector had come off
the driver board. I'd check more inside it, but the 4000 is even scarier.

My main problem, however, is not my Brazil-esque 'bare' monitor, nor the
lack of an optical drive. I've pinched the 700Mb drive from my Quadra, have
a CD with the OS, and a CD-ROM I know should work. But how to get the OS
onto the Cube?

Can I netboot off a Mac running OS X? How would I do this?

Also, how difficult is it going to be to get SIMMs for this beast. I have
8Mb, surely not enough to do anything useful.

Richard

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[Andreas Berger]

Richard Kilpatrick schrieb: Just got an original '030 Cube in tolerable condition. It had a 40Mb HD and was clearly configured to netboot. No optical drives (two blanking plates).

What about trying to get a 040 board?
My main problem, however, is not my Brazil-esque 'bare' monitor, nor the lack of an optical drive. I've pinched the 700Mb drive from my Quadra, have a CD with the OS, and a CD-ROM I know should work. But how to get the OS onto the Cube?

(I assume the 030 board doesn't have a floppy connector)
- getting another NeXT and installing the OS freshly on a spare hd for
your cube
- getting an SCSI floppy drive for executing the CD-ROM driver for
accessing your install CD
- purchasing an installed HD
Also, how difficult is it going to be to get SIMMs for this beast. I have 8Mb, surely not enough to do anything useful.

I can only speak about the 040 board. they are very sensible about
different RAM types and you have to test with a lot of different
charges. Don't mix parity/non-parity even, if the cube looks like to
boot. For 040 boards also, try to get the v66 of the boot rom.

regards, Andreas

[Richard Kilpatrick]

On 5/10/04 3:19 pm, in article 4162abb1$0$11982$9b622d9e@news.freenet.de,
"Andreas Berger" <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:
Richard Kilpatrick schrieb: Just got an original '030 Cube in tolerable condition. It had a 40Mb HD and was clearly configured to netboot. No optical drives (two blanking plates). What about trying to get a 040 board?

$$$$$$s. Are Turbo Cubes rarer or more common than 030s? I noticed Turbo
software sell the floppy drive front panel (to replace the dual optical
panel) for a mere $200... My friend's Cube turned out to be a Turbo cube.

Richard
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[David Evans]

In article <BD886402.16D6A%delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com>,
Richard Kilpatrick <delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com> wrote:Can I netboot off a Mac running OS X? How would I do this?

You should be able to netboot from anything that does bootp and
tftp. It will be a bit of a hassle, but should be OK.
Also, how difficult is it going to be to get SIMMs for this beast. I have8Mb, surely not enough to do anything useful.

The '030 board can use only 1MB SIMMs. AS there are 16 sockets, you
are limited to 16MB RAM.

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Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Andreas Berger]

Richard Kilpatrick schrieb:
What about trying to get a 040 board?
$$$$$$s. Are Turbo Cubes rarer or more common than 030s?

Turbo Cubes are rare, but i mean a straight common 040 board (25 MHz)
and not the Turbo thingy (33 MHz).
I noticed Turbo software sell the floppy drive front panel (to replace the dual optical panel) for a mere $200...

I know only about 040 cubes, they have the right wholes for floppy and
OD. Anyway, only for installation purposes it should be OK to let the
floppy drive unmounted.
My friend's Cube turned out to be a Turbo cube.

A Turbo have the advantage to work with PS/2 SIMs instead the ugly 30
PIN SIM.

regards, Andreas

[Richard Kilpatrick]

On 5/10/04 7:27 pm, in article 2sg7c5F1ln988U1@uni-berlin.de, "Andreas
Berger" <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:
Richard Kilpatrick schrieb: What about trying to get a 040 board? $$$$$$s. Are Turbo Cubes rarer or more common than 030s? Turbo Cubes are rare, but i mean a straight common 040 board (25 MHz) and not the Turbo thingy (33 MHz).

Are the 040s more common than my 030 then?! Yargh. So confusing.
A Turbo have the advantage to work with PS/2 SIMs instead the ugly 30 PIN SIM.

I'm confused, then. It's not a Turbo... It's an 040. I thought that 040
/was/ a Turbo cube...

Richard
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[Andreas Berger]

Richard Kilpatrick schrieb: $$$$$$s. Are Turbo Cubes rarer or more common than 030s?
Turbo Cubes are rare, but i mean a straight common 040 board (25 MHz) and not the Turbo thingy (33 MHz).
Are the 040s more common than my 030 then?! Yargh. So confusing.

Shure. A 030 is rare because its not usable for anything and most people
have upgraded their Cube to a 040 thing. I have seen a lot of unused 030
boards as a mobile or abstract art :), the 030 boards are something for
the trash.
A Turbo have the advantage to work with PS/2 SIMs instead the ugly 30 PIN SIM.
I'm confused, then. It's not a Turbo... It's an 040. I thought that 040 /was/ a Turbo cube...

No. The 030 board was something to test the cube architecture, a beta
machine. A 040 board with 25 MHz and SIMs (64 MB max.) is the normal
board, a 040 board with 33 MHz and PS/2 SIMMs (128 MB max.) are the
turbo one.

regards, Andreas

[Richard Kilpatrick]

On 5/10/04 9:03 pm, in article 2sgd0rF1ie3qoU1@uni-berlin.de, "Andreas
Berger" <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:
Richard Kilpatrick schrieb:> $$$$$$s. Are Turbo Cubes rarer or more common than 030s? Turbo Cubes are rare, but i mean a straight common 040 board (25 MHz) and not the Turbo thingy (33 MHz). Are the 040s more common than my 030 then?! Yargh. So confusing. Shure. A 030 is rare because its not usable for anything and most people have upgraded their Cube to a 040 thing. I have seen a lot of unused 030 boards as a mobile or abstract art :), the 030 boards are something for the trash.

People say that about Mac 128s, too, but I can't find a new 128 or 512 board
for mine :/
No. The 030 board was something to test the cube architecture, a beta machine. A 040 board with 25 MHz and SIMs (64 MB max.) is the normal board, a 040 board with 33 MHz and PS/2 SIMMs (128 MB max.) are the turbo one.

So how much should a regular '040 board cost, then?

Richard

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[Andreas Berger]

Richard Kilpatrick schrieb: Shure. A 030 is rare because its not usable for anything and most people have upgraded their Cube to a 040 thing. I have seen a lot of unused 030 boards as a mobile or abstract art :), the 030 boards are something for the trash.
People say that about Mac 128s, too, but I can't find a new 128 or 512 board for mine :/

I had sometimes the possibility to get a 030 board, but, for what?
For the worth, you can see a quality ranging here:
http://www.blackholeinc.com/specials/blackhardware.shtml#NC

Turbo board $899
Normal board $299
030 board $59
So how much should a regular '040 board cost, then?

I assume empty about $150 until filled with 4MB SIMs $200. But there is also the
possibility to get a cube to europe without keyb. mouse and so. I have get a cube
from the USA for shipping costs $55 (7-8 weeks via "ship").
I am also not shure if you can exchange a 030 board with a 040 board, there was
something with exchanging a NBIC (or something like that), so a running cube
would be the better choice. (you have to watch ebay.com for that)

regards, Andreas

[David Evans]

In article <2sgd0rF1ie3qoU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Andreas Berger <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:No. The 030 board was something to test the cube architecture, a betamachine.

That's just not true. When the NeXT Computer (it wasn't specifically
called the "cube" yet) appeared in 1988, there were no '040 CPUs to be
had anywhere--they didn't yet exist. Well, perhaps half-baked early
engineering prototypes. NeXT built with what they had available. I
totaly agree that it was underpowered and, IMHO, the machine didn't
come into its own until the '040 machines came along. However, the
'030 cube shipped as a real, actual product.

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Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Andreas Berger]

David Evans schrieb: Andreas Berger <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:No. The 030 board was something to test the cube architecture, abeta machine.
That's just not true.

OK, mabe my english isn't good enough. I'm alluding to the NeXT (040)
meeting/presentation on Sept. 18, 1990 on wich Steve Jobs tells somthing
about "the cube was an expression of potential, still unrealized. We've
been in a long beta phase" wich i translate as: we have tested a lot
with 030 machines and now with 040 slabs and cubes we can do serious
work.

regards, Andreas

[David Evans]

In article <2sllc6F1mleksU1@uni-berlin.de>,
Andreas Berger <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:David Evans schrieb: Andreas Berger <a_berger@despammed.com> wrote:No. The 030 board was something to test the cube architecture, abeta machine. That's just not true.OK, mabe my english isn't good enough. I'm alluding to the NeXT (040)meeting/presentation on Sept. 18, 1990 on wich Steve Jobs tells somthingabout "the cube was an expression of potential, still unrealized. We'vebeen in a long beta phase" wich i translate as: we have tested a lotwith 030 machines and now with 040 slabs and cubes we can do seriouswork.

Well, sure, I'd agree that it was with the '040 machines that things
became far more serious. However, I think the "long beta phase"
comment is mostly Steve-O's Kool-Aid. They shipped a product. It was
slow. They couldn't do much about it except get a faster CPU, which
they did forthwith. However, it sounds lame to get up in front of
people and say, "what we wanted to do really sucked with the CPUs of
two years ago. Now it's much better", so Steve-O spouted the
above.

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University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[sasfepu]

> Well, sure, I'd agree that it was with the '040 machines that things became far more serious. However, I think the "long beta phase" comment is mostly Steve-O's Kool-Aid. They shipped a product. It was slow. They couldn't do much about it except get a faster CPU, which they did forthwith. However, it sounds lame to get up in front of people and say, "what we wanted to do really sucked with the CPUs of two years ago. Now it's much better", so Steve-O spouted the above.


I remember '040 CPU was terribly in late at that time. I have read it in
computer mags in the early 90's :-) I think NeXT have no choice than
selling Cube with '030 CPU, waiting motorola to be ready to ship '040 one.
It could be a sort of long beta phase.
Someone could confirm motorola was in late with '040 CPU delivery ?

Jean-Noel Petit.

[sp2001]

"sasfepu" <nospam@urbanet.ch> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.58.0410121452430.8419@licornewifi.elpeirnia... I remember '040 CPU was terribly in late at that time. I have read it in computer mags in the early 90's :-) I think NeXT have no choice than selling Cube with '030 CPU, waiting motorola to be ready to ship '040 one. It could be a sort of long beta phase. Someone could confirm motorola was in late with '040 CPU delivery ?

No, 68040 was relatively "in time" the problem was with 68050 that never
exit and they lately jump to 68060 (a complete new core with many point of
contact with the first Pentium)... was the time that motorola try to push
RISC core 88000 dropped later in favor of joint effort with IBM and Apple to
port POWER architectur to single chip PowerPC.

hope this help
s

[Laurent Blume]

David Evans wrote: In article <BD886402.16D6A%delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com>, Richard Kilpatrick <delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com> wrote:Can I netboot off a Mac running OS X? How would I do this? You should be able to netboot from anything that does bootp and tftp. It will be a bit of a hassle, but should be OK.

I once tried to get a NeXTstation to netboot off a Solaris server, but
to no avail. Do you have any kind of pointer I could use?
The same slab was netbooting fine with NetBSD, but that's pretty well
documented. I found nothing relevant for OpenStep.

Thanks in advance for any clue!

Laurent

[David Evans]

In article <4176b931$0$30801$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net>,
Laurent Blume <laurent_news200408@elanor.org> wrote:David Evans wrote: You should be able to netboot from anything that does bootp and tftp. It will be a bit of a hassle, but should be OK.I once tried to get a NeXTstation to netboot off a Solaris server, butto no avail. Do you have any kind of pointer I could use?

No, I'm afraid that I don't. I'm just certain that I've done it using
IRIX and 4.3BSD at one time or another.

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University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Guest]

In <cl6jic$oi4$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca> David Evans wrote: In article <4176b931$0$30801$79c14f64@nan-newsreader-07.noos.net>, Laurent Blume <laurent_news200408@elanor.org> wrote:David Evans wrote: You should be able to netboot from anything that does bootp and tftp. It will be a bit of a hassle, but should be OK.I once tried to get a NeXTstation to netboot off a Solaris server, butto no avail. Do you have any kind of pointer I could use? No, I'm afraid that I don't. I'm just certain that I've done it
using IRIX and 4.3BSD at one time or another.

Wasn't there a 'manual' floating around for Linux? It was very detailed
how to net boot a NeXT under Linux. Should sketch and give a clue how to
solve this issue.

Henry

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[Laurent Blume]

Henry@Koplien.de wrote: Wasn't there a 'manual' floating around for Linux? It was very detailed how to net boot a NeXT under Linux. Should sketch and give a clue how to solve this issue.

I haven't been able to find it so far, too many irrelevant hits :-/
Any specific keyword I could use? "nextstep", "linux", "netboot",
"bootp" are too common.

Laurent

[Marcus Jodorf]

Laurent Blume wrote: Wasn't there a 'manual' floating around for Linux? It was very
detailed how to net boot a NeXT under Linux. Should sketch and give a clue how
to solve this issue. I haven't been able to find it so far, too many irrelevant hits :-/ Any specific keyword I could use? "nextstep", "linux", "netboot", "bootp" are too common.

I managed to get my slab to netboot from my Linux server.
My hard drive started to fail and I had to rescue the system quickly.
I had no spare drive at hand and therefore tried to abuse my Linux
server.
Since there was hardly any documentation around and the documents from
the BSD folks seems to contain some errors it was not too easy.
Because I was in a bit of a hurry I neglected documentation.

But that's what I did in principle and you should get an idea:

Using a dhcp server as bootp server does not work. At least not for me.
Don't know why.
In theory it should.

1. On the slab (named black, NeXTSTEP 3.3) I made a new /private/foobar
directory by using "newclient foobar". Same would be used as a first
step to make it a netboot server.

2. I copied the whole drive by means of dump/restore to an nfs mounted
directory of the linux server (named colossus, Debian unstable).

3. I extracted the /private/foobar sub-tree (produced in step 1) and put
it in parallel to the original filesystem tree of the slab on the Linux
server and exported both trees with nfs.
So the situation on the Linux server is as follows:
/usr/local/share/export/next/black (the former /clients/foobar)
/usr/local/share/export/next/root
(remains of the NeXT��s filesystem tree)
and I made a
/usr/local/share/export/next/tftpboot
which contains a copy of the /private/tftpboot directory of the slab
filesystem

(In /usr/local/share/export/next/root I had to copy sdmach to mach
which was a symlink on the original filesystem but somehow broke
during dump. Maybe because it was in use. I'm not sure why the system
later needs this mach named kernel file in the nfs root since the
kernel is distributed with tftpd from the tftpboot directory
but you need to have it.)

4. I installed bootp und tftpd on the Debian server. Experiments with
dhcp instead of bootp just resulted in time-outs.
Some experiments configuring a bootfile with bootp also didn't work.

Solution: In contrast to all documentation regarding normal bootp
configuration I found I did not configure a bootfile but instead
renamed the Mach kernel to tftpboot. And it just worked ;-)

So the bootptab looks like this:

black.some.tld:\
ht=ether:\
sm=255.255.255.0:\
ha=00000f00b435:\
hd=/usr/local/share/export/next/tftpboot:\
ip=192.168.1.6

The "vm=auto" entry mentioned in the BSD documentation is obviously not
needed (any more) and it does not work it you configure a bootfile.

I start bootps and tftpd using inetd on the linux server like this:

inetd.conf:
bootps dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/bootpd bootpd -i -t 120
tftp dgram udp wait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd \
/usr/local/share/export/next/tftpboot

(don't forget to allow tftp in tcpwrapper config if needed!)


Now the slab fetches the bootfile and the kernel (which was renamed to
tftpboot before, remember!) and just stops.
You need to tell the slab where the root filesystem can be found.

5. So I installed bootparamd on the Linux server. Configuration looks
like this:

/etc/bootparams:

black root=colossus:/usr/local/share/export/next/root \
private=colossus:/usr/local/share/export/next/black

That's all for the Linux side for it to work.

6. Naturally you have to make some small adjustments in the
config files of the slab which are now in the nfs exported
directories of the Linux server.
The directory /usr/local/share/export/next/black becomes the
new /private of the slab. So you have at least to deal with
the fstab contained in /etc therein.

My fstab now looks like this:
colossus:/usr/local/share/export/next/root / nfs rw,noauto 0 0
colossus:/usr/local/share/export/next/black /private nfs rw,noauto 0 0

And I had to fetch the original netinfo database from the NeXT's old
root directory because the newclient command produced a new empty one.
Result of an empty database is a slab searching for other netinfo servers
in the lan and hanging during startup if there aren't any.
If you want to use names instead of ip numbers in the config
files (eg. bootparams) as I did above you also will have to make
suitable entries in the NeXT�s /etc/hosts /etc/hostconfig.

Sure I missed some little things in my description above because I had to
do it from memory but you should get the general picture.
In general net-booting a NeXT from a Linux server (or any other
unix server) works well and flawless. Only problem is to figure out
how to get it running and the NeXT's actual behaviour stands in contrast
to all documentation I found.

You only need bootp, tftpd, bootparamd and you have just to ignore
the docs and you are almost set. ;-)


Hope this helps,

Marcus

[David Evans]

In article <clf1ep$rs0$1@foobar.bogomips.de>,
Marcus Jodorf <trap@killfile.de> wrote:I'm not sure why the systemlater needs this mach named kernel file in the nfs root since thekernel is distributed with tftpd from the tftpboot directorybut you need to have it.

Possibly so that various tools can get at the namelist.

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Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Laurent Blume]

Marcus Jodorf wrote:
[snip helpful explanations] You only need bootp, tftpd, bootparamd and you have just to ignore the docs and you are almost set. ;-) Hope this helps,

Thanks a lot, it certainly will!
I'm sure I'll get further than last time I tried!

Laurent

[Michael Doyle]

dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote in message
The '030 board can use only 1MB SIMMs. AS there are 16 sockets, you are limited to 16MB RAM.

Hmmm, actually no (but I know it's been a LOOOONG time since you
SHOULD have released the space for this bit of trivia in your brain,
so no prob), it can use 4MB DIMMs, for a total of 16MB. The cube I'm
using to post this with is an '030 with 64MB (I got it from a
developer who worked on porting Maple to NS, in response to
Mathematica being on NS; I've got an OD around with backups of the
source...).

Cheers,
Michael Doyle
Charlottesville, Virginia

[David Evans]

In article <50b953d7.0411201149.7578f51e@posting.google.com>,
Michael Doyle <gmike@grex.org> wrote:dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote in message The '030 board can use only 1MB SIMMs. AS there are 16 sockets, you are limited to 16MB RAM.Hmmm, actually no (but I know it's been a LOOOONG time since youSHOULD have released the space for this bit of trivia in your brain,so no prob), it can use 4MB DIMMs, for a total of 16MB.

I don't believe that it can use DIMMs at all. :P I was pretty
sure that I had tried 4MB SIMMs in my '030 and it didn't work. I may
be mis-remembering, though.
The cube I'musing to post this with is an '030 with 64MB

Cool.
(I got it from adeveloper who worked on porting Maple to NS, in response toMathematica being on NS; I've got an OD around with backups of thesource...).

Thomas Rockicki did that port, didn't he? I bought it back in 1994;
have the box, floppies, manuals, etc. around here somewhere. I wasn't
a great fan of the UI he came up with but it did the job.

--
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Research Associate, Ph.D. Candidate http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/
University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

[Michael Doyle]

dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote in message news:<cnoitb$e6d$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca>...
In article <50b953d7.0411201149.7578f51e@posting.google.com>,
Michael Doyle <gmike@grex.org> wrote:
dfevans@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) wrote in message

The '030 board can use only 1MB SIMMs. AS there are 16 sockets, you
are limited to 16MB RAM.

Hmmm, actually no (but I know it's been a LOOOONG time since you
SHOULD have released the space for this bit of trivia in your brain,
so no prob), it can use 4MB DIMMs, for a total of 16MB.


Obvious typo of mine here - was supposed to be 64MB, of course... I don't believe that it can use DIMMs at all. :P I was pretty
sure that I had tried 4MB SIMMs in my '030 and it didn't work. I may
be mis-remembering, though.

Ok, SIMMs - mine have chips on both sides of the PCB, which caused me
to write DIMM. Don't remember any differences between these types
anymore
In any case, they are 4MB and work just fine....
The cube I'm
using to post this with is an '030 with 64MB

Cool.

(I got it from a
developer who worked on porting Maple to NS, in response to
Mathematica being on NS; I've got an OD around with backups of the
source...).


Thomas Rockicki did that port, didn't he? I bought it back in 1994;
have the box, floppies, manuals, etc. around here somewhere. I wasn't
a great fan of the UI he came up with but it did the job.

I don't know. The fellow I got it from is Ben Friedman. He wasn't
with Maple SW when I bought the cube (NeXTcomputer, actually) in Mar.
2001. Thanks for the info., David!

Cheers,
Michael

[David Evans]

In article <50b953d7.0411230720.7c352582@posting.google.com>,
Michael Doyle <gmike@grex.org> wrote:I don't know. The fellow I got it from is Ben Friedman. He wasn'twith Maple SW when I bought the cube (NeXTcomputer, actually) in Mar.2001. Thanks for the info., David!

That name is very familiar, although I don't recall whether it's from
Usenet, here around UW, or what. Likewise, thanks for the info.

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University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer
Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual

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"Richard Kilpatrick" <delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com> wrote in message
news:BD886402.16D6A%delorean@NOSPAMbtconnect.com... Just got an original '030 Cube in tolerable condition. It had a 40Mb HD
and was clearly configured to netboot. No optical drives (two blanking
plates). The 4000A had been dropped and the case is smashed, so I need a new case
in the UK for the 4000A. (I also need a cable, I'm using a borrowed one). I could live with just the front panel. Horrid mechanical design of monitor, the tube falls out when you remove the front! Argh! Tube is dim. Is there a compatible tube at all? My friend loaned me his 4000 (dead, suspected - initially to get the
casing, but it lacks the microphone moulding and also, the back doesn't seem to
fit despite apparently being identical!), and it is painfully dim, plus 'wobbles' when first powered up. It wasn't dead, the connector had come
off the driver board. I'd check more inside it, but the 4000 is even scarier. My main problem, however, is not my Brazil-esque 'bare' monitor, nor the lack of an optical drive. I've pinched the 700Mb drive from my Quadra,
have a CD with the OS, and a CD-ROM I know should work. But how to get the OS onto the Cube? Can I netboot off a Mac running OS X? How would I do this? Also, how difficult is it going to be to get SIMMs for this beast. I have 8Mb, surely not enough to do anything useful. Richard -- Apples of various varieties - currently eMac/G5/PowerBook and ancients. Carstuff - Supra and New Beetle, and happy with just two for once. Music stuff - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/music/ - MP3s coming soon! Otherstuff - http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/retrotech/