Any more word on AI 11?

[steve]

I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10. When
I asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, but
Adobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. I
may be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a new
version is due soon...


"Real World Televisual Ltd." <enquiries@realworldtv.co.uk> wrote in message
news:J1lGa.16005$z47.7697@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... It [Illustrator 11] and the whole Adobe line-up got a mention in last
months Computer Arts... I've read somewhere about Illustrator 11 being released sometime in August! ;-)

[Bobby Henderson]

"steve" <sej@nospamcableone.nospamnet> wrote in message
news:vg89459rdhljb3@corp.supernews.com... I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10.
When I asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, but Adobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. I may be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a new version is due soon...

Though Adobe will not confirm it, there is a lot of industry speculation
that a lot of new Adobe products will be released in rapid succession
through late summer and early fall. Just about every major Adobe app will
get a full update before the end of teh year. Getting Acrobat 6 off the
ground has been a major piece of groundwork obviously, with some of those
features likely to be incorporated in new Adobe products.

I forget which graphics magazine I read it in (one those publications that
often comes with a tryout CD) but they've guessed Illustrator 11, Photoshop
8 and InDesign 3 will all be released by the end of summer.

Bobby Henderson

[Chmura]

Illus. 11.0 is due out in Sept/03.
Some new features are the 3D-typeTools not unlike those from the Dimensions
app. including :
-Rotate,Effect,Surface, and Lighting
-PDF 1.5 support
-Glyphs palette
-a faster application speed
I just read about this in the new issue of
"Computer Arts" mag.

hope this helps, so you might as well wait for the upgrade.

Gary W. Chmura
"steve" <sej@nospamcableone.nospamnet> wrote in message
news:vg89459rdhljb3@corp.supernews.com... I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10.
When I asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, but Adobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. I may be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a new version is due soon... "Real World Televisual Ltd." <enquiries@realworldtv.co.uk> wrote in
message news:J1lGa.16005$z47.7697@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... It [Illustrator 11] and the whole Adobe line-up got a mention in last months Computer Arts... I've read somewhere about Illustrator 11 being released sometime in August! ;-)

[Blob_Dylan]

WHAT!...and they are not going to do anything to sort those diabolic
small anchor points!My eye sight is being ruined after so many years
working with them...I just hope that something is done before
blindeness sets in!
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:41:34 -0600, "steve"
<sej@nospamcableone.nospamnet> wrote:
I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10. WhenI asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, butAdobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. Imay be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a newversion is due soon..."Real World Televisual Ltd." <enquiries@realworldtv.co.uk> wrote in messagenews:J1lGa.16005$z47.7697@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... It [Illustrator 11] and the whole Adobe line-up got a mention in lastmonths Computer Arts... I've read somewhere about Illustrator 11 being released sometime in August! ;-)

[Chmura]

Actually a nice Perspective "machine" would be good too instead of holding
down 3 keys and dragging!!?? : )

Gary

"steve" <sej@nospamcableone.nospamnet> wrote in message
news:vg89459rdhljb3@corp.supernews.com... I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10.
When I asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, but Adobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. I may be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a new version is due soon... "Real World Televisual Ltd." <enquiries@realworldtv.co.uk> wrote in
message news:J1lGa.16005$z47.7697@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... It [Illustrator 11] and the whole Adobe line-up got a mention in last months Computer Arts... I've read somewhere about Illustrator 11 being released sometime in August! ;-)

[stupid_idiot]

I hope this broad sweep of upgrades addressess working in a 64-bit mode. With Apple's announcement,
I suspect the performance of 64-bit will have a significant effect on non-compliant software.


"Bobby Henderson" <bobby-h@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:vOjNa.858$W26.37@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com... "steve" <sej@nospamcableone.nospamnet> wrote in message news:vg89459rdhljb3@corp.supernews.com... I decided a few days ago to bite the bullet and upgrade from AI9 to 10. When I asked for it at CompUSA, they told me that they normally stocked it, but Adobe had requested all their upgrade stock be returned to the company. I may be speculating with no info, but I would think that means that a new version is due soon... Though Adobe will not confirm it, there is a lot of industry speculation that a lot of new Adobe products will be released in rapid succession through late summer and early fall. Just about every major Adobe app will get a full update before the end of teh year. Getting Acrobat 6 off the ground has been a major piece of groundwork obviously, with some of those features likely to be incorporated in new Adobe products. I forget which graphics magazine I read it in (one those publications that often comes with a tryout CD) but they've guessed Illustrator 11, Photoshop 8 and InDesign 3 will all be released by the end of summer. Bobby Henderson

[Bobby Henderson]

stupid_idiot <spammersuck@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:vggncvoh5qjv1a@corp.supernews.com... I hope this broad sweep of upgrades addressess working in a 64-bit mode. With Apple's announcement, I suspect the performance of 64-bit will have a significant effect on non-compliant software.

IBM's new G5 CPU can handle 32-bit code without any problem. It will be at
least 2 to 5 years before we start seeing mainstream applications recompiled
to 64-bit code. The G5 is the first "mainstream desktop" CPU featuring
64-bit capability. AMD released a 64-bit CPU a few weeks ago to cater to
the server market and Intel has been selling its Itanium line to the
enterprise market for some time. But neither Itanium or the new AMD chip
are geared for any kind of desktop use. Those chips are also only running
64-bit UNIX variants as well since 64-bit Windows2003 Server is still in
development.

Desktop computer architecture will have to make a couple more jumps before
Microsoft, Intel and AMD can lay down the groundwork to make 64-bit
mainstream PC app development a feasible thing. 64-bit PCs will likely need
a minimum of 1GB of memory and SATA RAID capability not to get bogged down
by overhead demands.

Bobby Hendersons

[stupid_idiot]

<snip>But neither Itanium or the new AMD chip are geared for any kind of desktop use. </snip>

But, I thought that was all the hoopla from Apple....integrating the G5 into their new desktop box
to promote new desktop speeds. It seems as a majority (myself included) rarely max out my systems
capabilities, but, consumers are hungry for faster, better, sleeker. So, I agree with your
professional experienced opionion but suspect that the Intel folks will desperately try and
re-charge a flat market by selling the 64-bit processor to prosumers or small graphics/video firms.
I do not really understand how that interfaces with software but if it would allow my graphics
machine to work with my graphics programs and render larger files much quicker with better
stability, I would find a way to justify the cost.

[Bobby Henderson]

stupid_idiot <spammersuck@hotmail.com>
wrote in message news:vgkdipgmr896c8@corp.supernews.com... <snip>But neither Itanium or the new AMD chip are geared for any kind of desktop use. </snip> But, I thought that was all the hoopla from Apple.... integrating the G5 into their new desktop box to promote new desktop speeds. It seems as a majority (myself included) rarely max out my systems capabilities, but, consumers are hungry for faster, better, sleeker.

For years too much hype has been put into selling systems based on CPU
speed. IMHO, it is partially why desktop systems are not far more advanced
than they should be. As far as hardware sales go, I think brute force video
cards and faster system memory speeds do more to sell top of the line
hardware rather than the lastest CPU. Hardcore gamers, of all people, are
largely the ones buying the top end PCs these days.

As far as the new Macs go, I don't care so much about the G5 processor as I
do over the systems adding Serial ATA drives, 400MHz DDR memory, USB 2.0
support and Firewire 800 support. Those things are going to make a greater
difference overall than the G5 CPU.


So, I agree with your professional experienced opionion but suspect that the Intel folks will desperately try and re-charge a flat market by selling the 64-bit processor to prosumers or small graphics/video firms. I do not really understand how that interfaces with software but if it would allow my graphics machine to work with my graphics programs and render larger files much quicker with better stability, I would find a way to justify the cost.

The thing is, you're only going to get your work done only so fast. Most
computer users still only do word processing, spreadsheets and other stuff
like that. Any 7 year old Pentium II machine will handle a lot of stuff
like that quickly (provided the machine is in proper shape).

Not long ago, I edited an 800MB billboard design in Photoshop on a fairly
new 2.53GHz Dell machine with 1GB of DDR memory that cost only $1,300. Much
of the time the machine was waiting for my next move. Having a top of the
line unit would have saved me only a few seconds worth of time. Is that few
seconds worth all the extra cost?

This is why "killer apps" are so critical to new hardware sales. The new
top-of-the-line PC or Mac has to do something that just isn't possible on
normal hardware. Lots of gamers like top end hardware because it translates
into faster frame rates, higher-rez settings and higher scores. I have a
nearly 3 year 1GHz Dell PC that is still serving my needs just fine. I
probably won't replace it until "Doom III" gets released sometime next year.
At that point I may have a 4GHz PC with God only knows how much RAM and SATA
RAID hard disc space.

Video editing and DVD creation can be something the computer industry should
latch on. But they need to create sound/video editing applications that are
easy enough for the general public to use. Most people are intimidated by
Adobe Photoshop. So there's no way to expect them to learn Adobe After
Effects, Avid MCXpress or Final Cut Pro en masse. Same goes for 3D apps,
which boast the hardest learning curve of all (not to mention highest
prices). Video editing, particularly HD-based digital video, is what will
demand a next generation level of brute force hardware. The computer
industry has to work hard on making this potential "killer app" a lot more
accessible to the general public. If they can do that it will have an
enormous impact on hardware sales.

Bobby Henderson

[stupid_idiot]

excellent post Bobby....thanks for sharing your experience and opinion....some good stuff there....


"Bobby Henderson" <arowsign@mail.sirinet.net> wrote in message news:vgojmmqbfca55d@corp.supernews.com... stupid_idiot <spammersuck@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:vgkdipgmr896c8@corp.supernews.com... <snip>But neither Itanium or the new AMD chip are geared for any kind of desktop use. </snip> But, I thought that was all the hoopla from Apple.... integrating the G5 into their new desktop box to promote new desktop speeds. It seems as a majority (myself included) rarely max out my systems capabilities, but, consumers are hungry for faster, better, sleeker. For years too much hype has been put into selling systems based on CPU speed. IMHO, it is partially why desktop systems are not far more advanced than they should be. As far as hardware sales go, I think brute force video cards and faster system memory speeds do more to sell top of the line hardware rather than the lastest CPU. Hardcore gamers, of all people, are largely the ones buying the top end PCs these days. As far as the new Macs go, I don't care so much about the G5 processor as I do over the systems adding Serial ATA drives, 400MHz DDR memory, USB 2.0 support and Firewire 800 support. Those things are going to make a greater difference overall than the G5 CPU. So, I agree with your professional experienced opionion but suspect that the Intel folks will desperately try and re-charge a flat market by selling the 64-bit processor to prosumers or small graphics/video firms. I do not really understand how that interfaces with software but if it would allow my graphics machine to work with my graphics programs and render larger files much quicker with better stability, I would find a way to justify the cost. The thing is, you're only going to get your work done only so fast. Most computer users still only do word processing, spreadsheets and other stuff like that. Any 7 year old Pentium II machine will handle a lot of stuff like that quickly (provided the machine is in proper shape). Not long ago, I edited an 800MB billboard design in Photoshop on a fairly new 2.53GHz Dell machine with 1GB of DDR memory that cost only $1,300. Much of the time the machine was waiting for my next move. Having a top of the line unit would have saved me only a few seconds worth of time. Is that few seconds worth all the extra cost? This is why "killer apps" are so critical to new hardware sales. The new top-of-the-line PC or Mac has to do something that just isn't possible on normal hardware. Lots of gamers like top end hardware because it translates into faster frame rates, higher-rez settings and higher scores. I have a nearly 3 year 1GHz Dell PC that is still serving my needs just fine. I probably won't replace it until "Doom III" gets released sometime next year. At that point I may have a 4GHz PC with God only knows how much RAM and SATA RAID hard disc space. Video editing and DVD creation can be something the computer industry should latch on. But they need to create sound/video editing applications that are easy enough for the general public to use. Most people are intimidated by Adobe Photoshop. So there's no way to expect them to learn Adobe After Effects, Avid MCXpress or Final Cut Pro en masse. Same goes for 3D apps, which boast the hardest learning curve of all (not to mention highest prices). Video editing, particularly HD-based digital video, is what will demand a next generation level of brute force hardware. The computer industry has to work hard on making this potential "killer app" a lot more accessible to the general public. If they can do that it will have an enormous impact on hardware sales. Bobby Henderson