Save format?

[Anonymous]

I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're
using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further
manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there
are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm
not using any features that are new in this edition.

[Peter Haaa!]

Anonymous wrote: I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm not using any features that are new in this edition.

Save As??

Do not tell me they took that out of CS
--
Peter

[stupid_idiot]

Yes, they did....now it is called LEGACY......
Check out LEGACY in your help menu.


"Ph" <PeterH@cox.net> wrote in message news:3FD94751.9278186A@cox.net... Anonymous wrote: I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm not using any features that are new in this edition. Save As?? Do not tell me they took that out of CS -- Peter

[WharfRat]

in article DuSdnaitgbUUo0Si4p2dnA@comcast.com, Anonymous at
anon@fairmark.com wrote on 12/11/03 8:05 PM:
I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm not using any features that are new in this edition.
---
The Illustrator type engine has been totally replaced
with the InDesign type engine.
Your CS type, probably, will not be correct in 10.
-
Creating outlines will work - but of course be uneditable.

MSD

[Paul Asente]

In article <BBFEF10A.105A7%wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com>,
WharfRat <wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com> wrote:
in article DuSdnaitgbUUo0Si4p2dnA@comcast.com, Anonymous at anon@fairmark.com wrote on 12/11/03 8:05 PM: I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm not using any features that are new in this edition. --- The Illustrator type engine has been totally replaced with the InDesign type engine.

The type engine was replaced, but it wasn't with the InDesign type
engine. It's a cross-product type engine that is also in Photoshop,
After Effects, and I don't know what all else.
Your CS type, probably, will not be correct in 10.

Yes it will, but it will be hard to edit. The appearance remains the
same, but what was a single type object in CS may become many small type
objects in the exported file.

-- paul asente
To reply, make the host be the same as my last name

[WharfRat]

in article usenet-19D165.10162312122003@news05.west.earthlink.net, Paul
Asente at usenet@not-asente.com wrote on 12/12/03 10:15 AM:
In article <BBFEF10A.105A7%wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com>, WharfRat <wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com> wrote: in article DuSdnaitgbUUo0Si4p2dnA@comcast.com, Anonymous at anon@fairmark.com wrote on 12/11/03 8:05 PM: I'm using the CS version but sending my artwork to a printer where they're using AI 10. I'm shipping them a .ai file so they can do some further manipulation. They asked me to save my artwork in AI 10 format in case there are any incompatibilities. Is there a way to do this? I'm pretty sure I'm not using any features that are new in this edition. --- The Illustrator type engine has been totally replaced with the InDesign type engine. The type engine was replaced, but it wasn't with the InDesign type engine. It's a cross-product type engine that is also in Photoshop, After Effects, and I don't know what all else. Your CS type, probably, will not be correct in 10. Yes it will, but it will be hard to edit. The appearance remains the same, but what was a single type object in CS may become many small type objects in the exported file. -- paul asente To reply, make the host be the same as my last name
----
Well,

Someone should tell the Adobe folks, that go around giving seminars,
about those things.
We were told - for a fact - at the prepress briefing
and at the Driven By Design event
that it was the InDesign engine that was installed into Illustrator CS.
They said the type would rewrap and be otherwise compromised.
I forget exactly what they said about going the other way.

MSD

[Paul Asente]

In article <BBFF9D76.105F7%wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com>,
WharfRat <wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com> wrote:
Someone should tell the Adobe folks, that go around giving seminars, about those things. We were told - for a fact - at the prepress briefing and at the Driven By Design event that it was the InDesign engine that was installed into Illustrator CS.

The people who said that were mistaken, or you misunderstood. I can
tell you with 100% certainty that Illustrator CS does not use the
InDesign type engine.
They said the type would rewrap and be otherwise compromised. I forget exactly what they said about going the other way.

Rewrap and reflow can happen when going into Illustrator CS, but not
when saving to legacy format.

Example: I created an area type object in Illustrator CS with the
contents

This is a test of rewrap-
ping and flowing when
exporting to AI 10.

(I didn't put those line breaks in, that's just where they happened.)

I then exported to Illustrator 10 and opened the file in 10. The file
contained 22 point type objects:

"T" "his is a " "t" "est of " "r" "ew" "r" "a" "p" "-"
"ping and fl" "o" "wing when" " "
"e" "x" "p" "o" "r" "ting " "t" "o AI 10."

The reason for all the point type objects is to reproduce the
Illustrator CS layout exactly in the earlier version.

I then created a file in Illustrator 10 with the contents

This is a test of rewrap-
ping and flowing when
going to AI CS.

and opened the file in Illustrator CS. I got a warning dialog that
stated that the document contained type objects that would have to be
updated before they could be edited. I clicke the button to update
later. This maintained the exact formatting in the original document.
I then zoomed way into the type and selected "Update All Legacy Text"
from the Type menu, and repeatedly did undo/redo to switch back and
forth between the two. Most of the changes were not visible in this
sample, although I could see different spacing in "flowing"--there was
noticably less space between the "l" and the "o" in the updated version.

So to summarize:

AICS to earlier format: No change in layout, but type gets broken up.

Earlier format to AICS: Type layout remains the same until updated,
then changes can occur. Some may be small and some may be large.

-- paul asente
To reply, make the host be the same as my last name

[WharfRat]

So to summarize: AICS to earlier format: No change in layout, but type gets broken up. Earlier format to AICS: Type layout remains the same until updated, then changes can occur. Some may be small and some may be large.
---
Thanks for the clarification.
What is the recommeded procedure?
Just to watch out?

MSD

[Paul Asente]

In article <BC0089F3.1068A%wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com>,
WharfRat <wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com> wrote:
So to summarize: AICS to earlier format: No change in layout, but type gets broken up. Earlier format to AICS: Type layout remains the same until updated, then changes can occur. Some may be small and some may be large. --- Thanks for the clarification. What is the recommeded procedure? Just to watch out?

Since the layout remains fixed in CS until you edit the text (or tell it
to update everything immediately), you won't get any surprises. Legacy
type objects look noticeably different when you select them, and when
you edit one you get the option to keep a copy of the original type
object for reference--the copy is at 40% transparency.

Everything possible was done in Illustrator CS to ensure that you won't
get unexpected layout changes in your legacy documents while still
allowing you to use the full capabilities of the new type engine.

-- paul asente
To reply, make the host be the same as my last name

[Donster]

What is Legacy. I've been using Adobe products since 92 and have never heard
of it. I am going to be slow to upgrade to CS.

Don

--
Don Gray
http://www.moab-utah.com
"I assure you, unless you are born again, you can never see the Kingdom of
God." (John 3:3 NLT)


"Paul Asente" <usenet@not-asente.com> wrote in message
news:usenet-4E8C15.13130313122003@news01.west.earthlink.net... In article <BC0089F3.1068A%wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com>, WharfRat <wharfrat@footprintsphotographics.com> wrote: So to summarize: AICS to earlier format: No change in layout, but type gets broken up. Earlier format to AICS: Type layout remains the same until updated, then changes can occur. Some may be small and some may be large. --- Thanks for the clarification. What is the recommeded procedure? Just to watch out? Since the layout remains fixed in CS until you edit the text (or tell it to update everything immediately), you won't get any surprises. Legacy type objects look noticeably different when you select them, and when you edit one you get the option to keep a copy of the original type object for reference--the copy is at 40% transparency. Everything possible was done in Illustrator CS to ensure that you won't get unexpected layout changes in your legacy documents while still allowing you to use the full capabilities of the new type engine. -- paul asente To reply, make the host be the same as my last name

[LauraK]

>What is Legacy. I've been using Adobe products since 92 and have never heardof it. I am going to be slow to upgrade to CS.

Backward compatibility.

laurak@madmousergraphics.com
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

[Paul Asente]

In article <JsNCb.7428$oi3.1870@news02.roc.ny>,
"Donster" <don@moab-utah.com> wrote:
What is Legacy. I've been using Adobe products since 92 and have never heard of it. I am going to be slow to upgrade to CS.

Legacy text is text from a file saved by an earlier version of
Illustrator.

-- paul asente
To reply, make the host be the same as my last name

[Anonymous]

Sometimes a simple question . . .

Anyway, the printer asks for all text to be converted to curves. I realize I
can't edit the text after that, but I assume I'm OK if I do this as the very
last thing before sending them the file, and retain a copy of the last
version I had before doing this so I can make edits the next time I work on
this project. Does that make sense?

The project is a book cover, and the back of the cover includes a fair
amount of smaller (10 pt) text. Do I understand correctly that there is no
problem (apart from file size) in converting all that smaller text to
curves? I'm aware of the concept that in vector graphics you can go as small
as you want without losing quality but this still seems strange to a newbie
like me.

[Stuart]

Anonymous wrote:
Sometimes a simple question . . . Anyway, the printer asks for all text to be converted to curves. I realize I can't edit the text after that, but I assume I'm OK if I do this as the very last thing before sending them the file, and retain a copy of the last version I had before doing this so I can make edits the next time I work on this project. Does that make sense? The project is a book cover, and the back of the cover includes a fair amount of smaller (10 pt) text. Do I understand correctly that there is no problem (apart from file size) in converting all that smaller text to curves? I'm aware of the concept that in vector graphics you can go as small as you want without losing quality but this still seems strange to a newbie like me.


You have two versions of each file, each in a different folder marked
accordingly.

Stuart

[Paul Asente]

In article <E6GdnTUxCPJEkkKiRVn-jw@comcast.com>,
"Anonymous" <anon@fairmark.com> wrote:
Sometimes a simple question . . . Anyway, the printer asks for all text to be converted to curves. I realize I can't edit the text after that, but I assume I'm OK if I do this as the very last thing before sending them the file, and retain a copy of the last version I had before doing this so I can make edits the next time I work on this project. Does that make sense? The project is a book cover, and the back of the cover includes a fair amount of smaller (10 pt) text. Do I understand correctly that there is no problem (apart from file size) in converting all that smaller text to curves? I'm aware of the concept that in vector graphics you can go as small as you want without losing quality but this still seems strange to a newbie like me.

It really depends on the output. If the printer is going to create a
PDF of the file, the 10 pt text will look like total crap. It will also
look poor if you do a proof on a desktop-quality printer. It should be
fine at imagesetter resolution.

The reason for this is that it's hard to render type legibly at low
resolution. Fonts have hints that allow low-resolution devices
(especially the screen) to render them at higher quality. You lose
these hints when you outline the text.

-- paul asente
To reply, make the host be the same as my last name