Hans Forbrich
01-16-2004, 02:40 PM
Section 1. Ballot:
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1.[]YES NO: I agree that there should be a periodic post
describing the newsgroup charter and providing a FAQ on
newsgroup usage.
2.[]MONTHLY BI-WEEKLY WEEKLY: The post should be transmitted
with this frequency.
3.[]YES NO: I agree that the contents should be maintained and
posted by Mark Stock, with Hans Forbrich as backup.
4.[]YES NO: I agree that the initial contents should be as
shown in section 3 below.
5.[Voter Name]:
Additional comments to be included in the posted summary:
[COMMENT: ]
[ANONYMOUS COMMENT: ]
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Section 2. Rules:
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This Call For Votes is to ensure respondents agree with the
periodic posting of the Newsgroup charter and Usage Rules as
described in section 3 below.
VOTING:
All ballots must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Jan 24, 2004.
The email address will be disabled within 48 hours after this
cutoff.
HOW TO VOTE:
Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by
computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are
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The subject line MUST end with
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Note that a prefix, such as RE: is permitted.
Please do not assume that just replying to this message will
work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail
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- One line for each response;
- Each line should contain the line number, a period, an open
bracket, the information, a closed bracket;
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will be discarded, as will white space around the brackets;
- The permitted responses for 1-4 are indicated after the closing
bracket and you may copy that into the response area;
- In addition, you may enter a response of ABSTAIN or CANCEL
for questions 1-4;
- Your real name is required in response 5 and must be enclosed by
the brackets..
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AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_
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remove the words "Voter name"!
You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL
(which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final
vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. The
CANCEL and ABSTAIN reflect your vote for that question only.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one
account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to
the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.
Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous
votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within five days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the
most recent valid vote. Names and votes of all voters will be
published in the final voting results post. **Addresses will NOT be
published.**
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
this newgroup. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in
doubt, ask the votetaker.
QUESTIONS:
Questions should be addressed to the same email address by should
have a subject of
QUESTION: comp.databases.oracle.tools Periodic FAQ Post
Questions after the vote taker address is disabled may be directed
to ora_ng_faq@telus.net.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Section 3: Proposed post:
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Subject: News group Charter and usage FAQ
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Charter: (Based on formal RFC vote and created October 1996)
Comp.databases.oracle.tools is a news group provided for discussion of
software applications and tools available from Oracle Corporation, or
designed to work with Oracle applications. Developers of end-user
applications will find this newsgroup most useful.
This group includes but is not limited to articles discussing
applications and topics such as the following:
Oracle Developer 2000 (Forms, Reports, Graphics)
Designer 2000
The SQL Language, SQL Plus, PL/SQL
Training and books
Due to the wide variety of applications which are discussed in this
group, each article title should begin with the application it involves
(examples: Forms4.5: Reports2.5: SQL/Plus: etc.) Do not use general
titles such as "A simple question".
If the comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup is created in this
reorganization, then discussions of tools and applications designed for
use by database administrators should be carried on in the .server
newsgroup, and not the .tools group.
For more information, refer to http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter2.htm
Netiquette & Posting Guidelines Summary:
-------------------------------------
1) Do your [own] homework
2) Be explicit: Version, Error Code, etc.
3) Be on topic, and don't cross post
4) Give examples
5) Use proper netiquette
6) Avoid SPAM or commercial messages
Detailed explanation for each point follows:
--------------------------------------------
1) Do your [own] homework
The people who may respond to your questions or comments are volunteers
(and many teach Oracle or computing technology). They are not required
to respond. Some of the better ways to get a response are:
- show that you have attempted to get your own answer;
- tell us what did or did not work;
- don't ask for solutions to homework assignments;
- for homework, do ask for tips, clarification or explanation.
Some sources of information are listed at the bottom of this post.
2) Be explicit: Version, Error Code, etc.
There are numerous combinations of Oracle product, Oracle product
version, operating system and version and third party product and
version. The answer to your question may be totally dependent on the
specific combination. Always indicate the operating system and version,
the Oracle product and version and the actual error message including
error code. Note that Oracle provides online lookup for all error codes
and messages through http://docs.oracle.com
Consider using something like the following in your posts:
Operating System: HP-UX 11.0, Windows2003
Oracle product/s: Database Oracle8i version 8.1.6.3
Access to DB via: T.O.A.D. version 7.6
3) Be on topic, and don't cross post
Look at the charter for the news group and decide which group is best
for your technical comment or question. Avoid cross posting as there
are similar groups of volunteers in all comp.database.oracle subgroups.
The posting of commercial message, messages intended to promote the sale
of a product or service are expressly forbidden in this group. Please
restrict commercial messages to comp.database.oracle.marketplace
Note that questions about YOUR licensing options can not be answered in
this public forum. Licensing is a contractual issue and relevant
discussions must involve representatives from Oracle Corporation who are
authorized to discuss such matters.
4) Give examples
Self-explanatory. We are not mind readers, so we do not necessarily
know what you mean. Provide examples, cut and paste from the source,
provide links, or use other techniques to describe the actual question.
5) Use proper netiquette
This is a public and unmoderated volunteer news group. Some
recommendations for netiquette include:
- Lurk for a while to get a feeling for the nature of the group;
- Be aware that posts are archived (don't say things you might regret);
- Unless it's critical to understanding, please ignre spelling mistakes;
- Avoid flame wars and ignore posts you find offensive;
- Keep private messages off the public forum;
- Use Emoticons or off-topic/rant TAGS (<FLAME></FLAME>, <RANT></RANT>
and so on)
- Use [OT] in the subject to indicate the content is off topic.
Users are encouraged to follow Netiquette guidelines as described in
Virginia Shea's online book 'Netiquette', online version available at
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html
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Some relevant links:
A comprehensive FAQ and center for Oracle-related links is at
http://orafaq.com
Links to technical resources:
http://www.orafaq.net/links/Technical_Resources/
Links to books:
http://orafaq.com/books/index.htm
Oracle provides the following content on the internet. You are
encouraged to review that content before posting, to avoid a 'Read the
[Free] Manual' response.
General Oracle discussions:
http://www.oracle.com
Oracle product prices:
http://oraclestore.oracle.com
Oracle licensing:
http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/
Code examples:
http://otn.oracle.com/sample_code/index.html
Installation examples:
http://otn.oracle.com/obe/start/index.html
All Documentation, including error message lookup:
http://docs.oracle.com
http://tahiti.oracle.com
http://otn.oracle.com/documentation/index.html
Discussion forums (chat rooms):
http://otn.oracle.com/discussionforums/forumshome.html
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This post will be repeated on a weekly basis.
Feedback on this post can be directed to the news group or can be sent
to the post maintainers at mailto:ora_ng_faq@telus.net or mailto:????
with a subject line starting with 'Maint. (cdo.tools):' (Note: Email
to
these addresses that do not use the subject prefix will be automatically
discarded.)
================================================================
-------------------
1.[]YES NO: I agree that there should be a periodic post
describing the newsgroup charter and providing a FAQ on
newsgroup usage.
2.[]MONTHLY BI-WEEKLY WEEKLY: The post should be transmitted
with this frequency.
3.[]YES NO: I agree that the contents should be maintained and
posted by Mark Stock, with Hans Forbrich as backup.
4.[]YES NO: I agree that the initial contents should be as
shown in section 3 below.
5.[Voter Name]:
Additional comments to be included in the posted summary:
[COMMENT: ]
[ANONYMOUS COMMENT: ]
================================================================
Please remove everything below the above line (after reading the
rules.)
Remember to send to mailto:cdo_NG_CFV@telus.net - replies to
the NG will be ignored. Use a verifiable email address.
The question number, followed by the response in square brackets,
are required. All other information will be discarded.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Section 2. Rules:
------------------
This Call For Votes is to ensure respondents agree with the
periodic posting of the Newsgroup charter and Usage Rules as
described in section 3 below.
VOTING:
All ballots must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Jan 24, 2004.
The email address will be disabled within 48 hours after this
cutoff.
HOW TO VOTE:
Follow these instructions *exactly*! Votes are counted by
computer. You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are
invalid) to:
cdo_NG_cfv@telus.net
The subject line MUST end with
CFV: comp.databases.oracle.tools Periodic FAQ Post
Note that a prefix, such as RE: is permitted.
Please do not assume that just replying to this message will
work. Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail
message should contain the following:
- One line for each response;
- Each line should contain the line number, a period, an open
bracket, the information, a closed bracket;
- Information before the line number and after the closed bracket
will be discarded, as will white space around the brackets;
- The permitted responses for 1-4 are indicated after the closing
bracket and you may copy that into the response area;
- In addition, you may enter a response of ABSTAIN or CANCEL
for questions 1-4;
- Your real name is required in response 5 and must be enclosed by
the brackets..
If your mail software does not indicate your real name (for example,
AOL does not), include _exactly_ the statement above on a _separate_
line and add your name after the colon. Having your name in your
signature line is NOT enough! Do NOT join the lines together or
remove the words "Voter name"!
You may also vote ABSTAIN (which records an empty vote) or CANCEL
(which removes any earlier votes). ABSTAIN does not affect the final
vote count in any way but is listed, whereas CANCEL is not. The
CANCEL and ABSTAIN reflect your vote for that question only.
IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:
Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One vote per person, one
account per voter. Votes must be mailed directly from the voter to
the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy votes are not valid.
Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered to be anonymous
votes. Votes from non-existent email addresses are not valid.
Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may
mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within five days contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote is
registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of the
most recent valid vote. Names and votes of all voters will be
published in the final voting results post. **Addresses will NOT be
published.**
The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of
persons who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from
disinterested parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute
this CFV. If you must, direct people to the official CFV as posted to
this newgroup. Distributing pre-marked or otherwise edited
copies of this CFV is generally considered to be vote fraud. When in
doubt, ask the votetaker.
QUESTIONS:
Questions should be addressed to the same email address by should
have a subject of
QUESTION: comp.databases.oracle.tools Periodic FAQ Post
Questions after the vote taker address is disabled may be directed
to ora_ng_faq@telus.net.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Section 3: Proposed post:
--------------------------
================================================================
Subject: News group Charter and usage FAQ
----------------------------------------------------------------
Charter: (Based on formal RFC vote and created October 1996)
Comp.databases.oracle.tools is a news group provided for discussion of
software applications and tools available from Oracle Corporation, or
designed to work with Oracle applications. Developers of end-user
applications will find this newsgroup most useful.
This group includes but is not limited to articles discussing
applications and topics such as the following:
Oracle Developer 2000 (Forms, Reports, Graphics)
Designer 2000
The SQL Language, SQL Plus, PL/SQL
Training and books
Due to the wide variety of applications which are discussed in this
group, each article title should begin with the application it involves
(examples: Forms4.5: Reports2.5: SQL/Plus: etc.) Do not use general
titles such as "A simple question".
If the comp.databases.oracle.server newsgroup is created in this
reorganization, then discussions of tools and applications designed for
use by database administrators should be carried on in the .server
newsgroup, and not the .tools group.
For more information, refer to http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter2.htm
Netiquette & Posting Guidelines Summary:
-------------------------------------
1) Do your [own] homework
2) Be explicit: Version, Error Code, etc.
3) Be on topic, and don't cross post
4) Give examples
5) Use proper netiquette
6) Avoid SPAM or commercial messages
Detailed explanation for each point follows:
--------------------------------------------
1) Do your [own] homework
The people who may respond to your questions or comments are volunteers
(and many teach Oracle or computing technology). They are not required
to respond. Some of the better ways to get a response are:
- show that you have attempted to get your own answer;
- tell us what did or did not work;
- don't ask for solutions to homework assignments;
- for homework, do ask for tips, clarification or explanation.
Some sources of information are listed at the bottom of this post.
2) Be explicit: Version, Error Code, etc.
There are numerous combinations of Oracle product, Oracle product
version, operating system and version and third party product and
version. The answer to your question may be totally dependent on the
specific combination. Always indicate the operating system and version,
the Oracle product and version and the actual error message including
error code. Note that Oracle provides online lookup for all error codes
and messages through http://docs.oracle.com
Consider using something like the following in your posts:
Operating System: HP-UX 11.0, Windows2003
Oracle product/s: Database Oracle8i version 8.1.6.3
Access to DB via: T.O.A.D. version 7.6
3) Be on topic, and don't cross post
Look at the charter for the news group and decide which group is best
for your technical comment or question. Avoid cross posting as there
are similar groups of volunteers in all comp.database.oracle subgroups.
The posting of commercial message, messages intended to promote the sale
of a product or service are expressly forbidden in this group. Please
restrict commercial messages to comp.database.oracle.marketplace
Note that questions about YOUR licensing options can not be answered in
this public forum. Licensing is a contractual issue and relevant
discussions must involve representatives from Oracle Corporation who are
authorized to discuss such matters.
4) Give examples
Self-explanatory. We are not mind readers, so we do not necessarily
know what you mean. Provide examples, cut and paste from the source,
provide links, or use other techniques to describe the actual question.
5) Use proper netiquette
This is a public and unmoderated volunteer news group. Some
recommendations for netiquette include:
- Lurk for a while to get a feeling for the nature of the group;
- Be aware that posts are archived (don't say things you might regret);
- Unless it's critical to understanding, please ignre spelling mistakes;
- Avoid flame wars and ignore posts you find offensive;
- Keep private messages off the public forum;
- Use Emoticons or off-topic/rant TAGS (<FLAME></FLAME>, <RANT></RANT>
and so on)
- Use [OT] in the subject to indicate the content is off topic.
Users are encouraged to follow Netiquette guidelines as described in
Virginia Shea's online book 'Netiquette', online version available at
http://www.albion.com/netiquette/book/index.html
----------------------------------------------------------------
Some relevant links:
A comprehensive FAQ and center for Oracle-related links is at
http://orafaq.com
Links to technical resources:
http://www.orafaq.net/links/Technical_Resources/
Links to books:
http://orafaq.com/books/index.htm
Oracle provides the following content on the internet. You are
encouraged to review that content before posting, to avoid a 'Read the
[Free] Manual' response.
General Oracle discussions:
http://www.oracle.com
Oracle product prices:
http://oraclestore.oracle.com
Oracle licensing:
http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pricing/
Code examples:
http://otn.oracle.com/sample_code/index.html
Installation examples:
http://otn.oracle.com/obe/start/index.html
All Documentation, including error message lookup:
http://docs.oracle.com
http://tahiti.oracle.com
http://otn.oracle.com/documentation/index.html
Discussion forums (chat rooms):
http://otn.oracle.com/discussionforums/forumshome.html
----------------------------------------------------------------
This post will be repeated on a weekly basis.
Feedback on this post can be directed to the news group or can be sent
to the post maintainers at mailto:ora_ng_faq@telus.net or mailto:????
with a subject line starting with 'Maint. (cdo.tools):' (Note: Email
to
these addresses that do not use the subject prefix will be automatically
discarded.)
================================================================