Screwdriver for HP Servers

[John Smith]

Hi,

Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open up the
cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs but have HP
changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from and what is it
called?

Thanks,


John.

[J.Clarke]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 12:15:11 GMT
ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net (Ben Myers) wrote:
Nope. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, "A Torx is a Torx is a Torx." Same Torx here in the US as elsewhere. Torx screws do not need different voltages or metric vs. English tools. That's probably one advantage of Torx. For the masses who need to work on HP and Compaq computers with Torx head screws, Sears in the US sells a nice little kit with smaller Torx tools, as well as small screwdrivers. Hey, once you have your own set of Torx tools, you can open up everything and remove circuit boards from hard drives (Yes, I've done this to recover data). For anyone who spends any amount of time working with computer hardware, a set of Torx tools is indispensible. And, compared to the more usual Philips head and "flat" screws, Torx screws rarely strip or break. In hindsight, I guess I can't hold against computer manufacturers using Torx, altho Torx screws were one pain in the ass until I bought the necessary Torx tools... Ben Myers

Once you've got the tools Torx are nice--haven't stripped one
yet, which is more than I can say for flat head and philips.

One possible gotcha is "tamperproof torx" which have a pin in the middle
of the recess in the screw so that a standard Torx driver doesn't fit.
Sometimes if you can get the right angle on it you can pop the pin out
with a chisel or a pair of vice-grips. If not, Jensen Tools
<http://www.jensentools.com> has several nice sets of tamper-torx
drivers or bits. On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:29:19 GMT, "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote:Cant answer your question specifically. But HP used to use "TORX"screws and bolts in there kit. The best way I can describe a TORXhead is a bit like a star. The screwdriver bit sizes were known asT2, T6, T8, T10 etc(increasing in size). Mind you this is in the UKso maybe known differently in other countries???temor"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote inmessage news:1LTab.73$%G1.40@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... Hi, Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open upthe> cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs buthave HP> changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from andwhat is it> called? Thanks, John.


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(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

[Temor]

Cant answer your question specifically. But HP used to use "TORX" screws and
bolts in there kit. The best way I can describe a TORX head is a bit like a
star. The screwdriver bit sizes were known as T2, T6, T8, T10 etc
(increasing in size). Mind you this is in the UK so maybe known differently
in other countries???

temor

"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:1LTab.73$%G1.40@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... Hi, Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open up the cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs but have HP changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from and what is it called? Thanks, John.

[Ben Myers]

Nope. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, "A Torx is a Torx is a Torx." Same Torx
here in the US as elsewhere. Torx screws do not need different voltages or
metric vs. English tools. That's probably one advantage of Torx. For the
masses who need to work on HP and Compaq computers with Torx head screws, Sears
in the US sells a nice little kit with smaller Torx tools, as well as small
screwdrivers. Hey, once you have your own set of Torx tools, you can open up
everything and remove circuit boards from hard drives (Yes, I've done this to
recover data). For anyone who spends any amount of time working with computer
hardware, a set of Torx tools is indispensible. And, compared to the more usual
Philips head and "flat" screws, Torx screws rarely strip or break.

In hindsight, I guess I can't hold against computer manufacturers using Torx,
altho Torx screws were one pain in the ass until I bought the necessary Torx
tools... Ben Myers

On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:29:19 GMT, "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote:
Cant answer your question specifically. But HP used to use "TORX" screws andbolts in there kit. The best way I can describe a TORX head is a bit like astar. The screwdriver bit sizes were known as T2, T6, T8, T10 etc(increasing in size). Mind you this is in the UK so maybe known differentlyin other countries???temor"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in messagenews:1LTab.73$%G1.40@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... Hi, Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open up the cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs but have HP changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from and what is it called? Thanks, John.

[Papa]

Actually few owners of HP, Dell, Compaq, or Gateway computers ever consider
cracking the case. They are the customers usually seen at most local
computer repair facilities and/or the ones whose homes or offices are
visited by a repair technician. Those that build their own have any tools
needed, and do their own repairs.

"Ben Myers" <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote in message
news:3f6c4334.553607@news.charter.net... Nope. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, "A Torx is a Torx is a Torx." Same
Torx here in the US as elsewhere. Torx screws do not need different voltages
or metric vs. English tools. That's probably one advantage of Torx. For the masses who need to work on HP and Compaq computers with Torx head screws,
Sears in the US sells a nice little kit with smaller Torx tools, as well as
small screwdrivers. Hey, once you have your own set of Torx tools, you can open
up everything and remove circuit boards from hard drives (Yes, I've done this
to recover data). For anyone who spends any amount of time working with
computer hardware, a set of Torx tools is indispensible. And, compared to the more
usual Philips head and "flat" screws, Torx screws rarely strip or break. In hindsight, I guess I can't hold against computer manufacturers using
Torx, altho Torx screws were one pain in the ass until I bought the necessary
Torx tools... Ben Myers On Sat, 20 Sep 2003 11:29:19 GMT, "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com>
wrote:Cant answer your question specifically. But HP used to use "TORX" screws
andbolts in there kit. The best way I can describe a TORX head is a bit like
astar. The screwdriver bit sizes were known as T2, T6, T8, T10 etc(increasing in size). Mind you this is in the UK so maybe known
differentlyin other countries???temor"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in messagenews:1LTab.73$%G1.40@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... Hi, Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open up the cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs but have HP changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from and what is it called? Thanks, John.

[Markeau]

Just for the record there is another style Torx that one may encounter
called Secure Torx or Tamper Resistant Torx. Such a fastener has a
raised center, and so the tool needs to have a hollow center. See
here for what it looks like:
http://www.tannerbolt.thomasregister.com/olc/73182297/torx.htm

[Temor]

Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can
always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just as
nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did that
personally of course ;-)

"Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote in message
news:kbqdnVLxXswAyvGiRVn-sA@giganews.com... Just for the record there is another style Torx that one may encounter called Secure Torx or Tamper Resistant Torx. Such a fastener has a raised center, and so the tool needs to have a hollow center. See here for what it looks like: http://www.tannerbolt.thomasregister.com/olc/73182297/torx.htm

[Homer Simpson]

So YOU'RE the ONE!!!

"Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote in message
news:ZfZab.4680578$mA4.657122@news.easynews.com... Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did
that personally of course ;-) "Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote in message news:kbqdnVLxXswAyvGiRVn-sA@giganews.com... Just for the record there is another style Torx that one may encounter called Secure Torx or Tamper Resistant Torx. Such a fastener has a raised center, and so the tool needs to have a hollow center. See here for what it looks like: http://www.tannerbolt.thomasregister.com/olc/73182297/torx.htm

[Temor]

Not only that...... The service manual instruction which says "secure screw
to hand-tight" !!!!!! Muhahahahahaaaa......yeah right, oh boy, oh boy.


"Homer Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote in message
news:ryZab.1229$iO.680@bignews5.bellsouth.net... So YOU'RE the ONE!!! "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote in message news:ZfZab.4680578$mA4.657122@news.easynews.com... Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just
as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-) "Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote in message news:kbqdnVLxXswAyvGiRVn-sA@giganews.com... Just for the record there is another style Torx that one may encounter called Secure Torx or Tamper Resistant Torx. Such a fastener has a raised center, and so the tool needs to have a hollow center. See here for what it looks like: http://www.tannerbolt.thomasregister.com/olc/73182297/torx.htm

[Will Dormann]

Temor wrote:
Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-)


Dremel with a cutting wheel...
Makes any screw compatible with a flat head screwdriver! :)


-WD

[Papa]

Luv that Dremel. It can do anything!!

"Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:St2bb.40034$xx4.4000459@twister.neo.rr.com... Temor wrote: Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just
as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did
that personally of course ;-) Dremel with a cutting wheel... Makes any screw compatible with a flat head screwdriver! :) -WD

[John Smith]

I managed to find a reference on HP's site to the fact that their servers
are 'tooless' - thanks.... but do I trust them!?


"Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote in message
news:Yz2bb.388$vS.325@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... Luv that Dremel. It can do anything!! "Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:St2bb.40034$xx4.4000459@twister.neo.rr.com... Temor wrote: Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something
just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-) Dremel with a cutting wheel... Makes any screw compatible with a flat head screwdriver! :) -WD

[Torbjørn Moen]

John Smith wrote: I managed to find a reference on HP's site to the fact that their servers are 'tooless' - thanks.... but do I trust them!? "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote in message news:Yz2bb.388$vS.325@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... Luv that Dremel. It can do anything!! "Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:St2bb.40034$xx4.4000459@twister.neo.rr.com... Temor wrote:> Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you> can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or> something just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future> repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-) Dremel with a cutting wheel... Makes any screw compatible with a flat head screwdriver! :) -WD

New servers are.
--
mvh
Torbjørn Moen

[Scott Alfter]

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In article <3f6c4334.553607@news.charter.net>,
Ben Myers <ben_myers_spam_me_not@charter.net> wrote:Nope. To paraphrase Gertrude Stein, "A Torx is a Torx is a Torx." SameTorx here in the US as elsewhere. Torx screws do not need differentvoltages or metric vs. English tools. That's probably one advantage ofTorx. For the masses who need to work on HP and Compaq computers with Torxhead screws, Sears in the US sells a nice little kit with smaller Torxtools, as well as small screwdrivers. Hey, once you have your own set ofTorx tools, you can open up everything and remove circuit boards from harddrives (Yes, I've done this to recover data). For anyone who spends anyamount of time working with computer hardware, a set of Torx tools isindispensible. And, compared to the more usual Philips head and "flat"screws, Torx screws rarely strip or break.

GM uses lots of Torx screws as well (and has since the early '80s or so), so
if that's what you drive, it's worth having a set. (FWIW, just a T-15 will
get you into most Compaqs...they tend to not use the other sizes, unless
you're also counting things like the tiny screws that hold controller boards
to hard drives and such.)

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[John Smith]

Thanks.
"Torbjørn Moen" <crzy@start.no> wrote in message
news:dV4bb.31531$Hb.481960@news4.e.nsc.no... John Smith wrote: I managed to find a reference on HP's site to the fact that their servers are 'tooless' - thanks.... but do I trust them!? "Papa" <bikingis@my.fun> wrote in message news:Yz2bb.388$vS.325@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net... Luv that Dremel. It can do anything!! "Will Dormann" <wdormann@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote in message news:St2bb.40034$xx4.4000459@twister.neo.rr.com...> Temor wrote:>>> Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you>> can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or>> something just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future>> repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-)>>> Dremel with a cutting wheel...> Makes any screw compatible with a flat head screwdriver! :)>>> -WD New servers are. -- mvh Torbjørn Moen

[Steve Mccloud]

Yes I have one

I just got it from manager and it still says COMPAQ has the same black
handle and white storage screw. Unfortunately I have been WFR'ed and no
longer have access to HP/Compaq's part numbers system. you can call
1-800-942-9422 and ask for parts info. The things about the torx that are
different is it has really long tips that can reach deep into the laptop
case holes. most torx bits or drivers you will find on the street will not
be able to reach into the holes on laptops.

"John Smith" <johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
news:1LTab.73$%G1.40@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net... Hi, Anyone know if you still need a special tool/screwdriver to open up the cases of HP ML/DL servers? You used to need one for Compaqs but have HP changed this? If you need one, where do you get it from and what is it called? Thanks, John.

[Rick Jones]

[followups trimmed to one group, per convention (comp.sys.hp.hardware)]

Indeed, T15 is the most common torx I've encounterd in now 15-odd year
of messing about with HP kit. Just recently I came across some T10
used as drive bracket screws on the internal mechs on an rx2600.

The other common torx I've used has been a T25 - for the screws used
to fasten items to racks. I'm having trouble remebering a time when I
needed a T20.

rick jones
--
oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)
feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Temor]

Hee hee,,,obviously never had to change a disk mech on a 7914 then? 132MB
(yes MB and a hernia) :-(


"Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message
news:zkGbb.5354$rX6.4783@news.cpqcorp.net... [followups trimmed to one group, per convention (comp.sys.hp.hardware)] Indeed, T15 is the most common torx I've encounterd in now 15-odd year of messing about with HP kit. Just recently I came across some T10 used as drive bracket screws on the internal mechs on an rx2600. The other common torx I've used has been a T25 - for the screws used to fasten items to racks. I'm having trouble remebering a time when I needed a T20. rick jones -- oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Ben Myers]

Maybe we need an alt.torx newsgroup? ... Ben Myers

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:26 GMT, "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote:
Hee hee,,,obviously never had to change a disk mech on a 7914 then? 132MB(yes MB and a hernia) :-("Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messagenews:zkGbb.5354$rX6.4783@news.cpqcorp.net... [followups trimmed to one group, per convention (comp.sys.hp.hardware)] Indeed, T15 is the most common torx I've encounterd in now 15-odd year of messing about with HP kit. Just recently I came across some T10 used as drive bracket screws on the internal mechs on an rx2600. The other common torx I've used has been a T25 - for the screws used to fasten items to racks. I'm having trouble remebering a time when I needed a T20. rick jones -- oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Ben Myers]

Maybe we need an alt.torx newsgroup? I can't resist. You would use alt.torx to
exchange torx tips. Virtual ones, that is... Ben Myers

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:26 GMT, "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote:
Hee hee,,,obviously never had to change a disk mech on a 7914 then? 132MB(yes MB and a hernia) :-("Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messagenews:zkGbb.5354$rX6.4783@news.cpqcorp.net... [followups trimmed to one group, per convention (comp.sys.hp.hardware)] Indeed, T15 is the most common torx I've encounterd in now 15-odd year of messing about with HP kit. Just recently I came across some T10 used as drive bracket screws on the internal mechs on an rx2600. The other common torx I've used has been a T25 - for the screws used to fasten items to racks. I'm having trouble remebering a time when I needed a T20. rick jones -- oxymoron n, Hummer H2 with California Save Our Coasts and Oceans plates these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Rick Jones]

Temor <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote: Hee hee,,,obviously never had to change a disk mech on a 7914 then? 132MB (yes MB and a hernia) :-(

The closest I ever got was changing packs on 7935's. I probably
should have saved one of those. I did at least save my HP P/N
19511-80014, these days known as either the "HP Attitude Adjustor" or
the "Stick of Wisdom" - part of the packing materials from the 7939
(?) "Eagle" 8" Winchester disc drives (assuming no uncorrected parity
erros in my dimm memory...)

rick jones
--
a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only"
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)
feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Temor]

Eagles !!!! 7936/37..were you a man balancing the mech on your knee while
you secured to the rails or did you use that wussy hoist that they supplied.
Sorry, this is turning into a walk down memory lane !!!


"Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message
news:wINbb.5396$Nw7.54@news.cpqcorp.net... Temor <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote: Hee hee,,,obviously never had to change a disk mech on a 7914 then?
132MB (yes MB and a hernia) :-( The closest I ever got was changing packs on 7935's. I probably should have saved one of those. I did at least save my HP P/N 19511-80014, these days known as either the "HP Attitude Adjustor" or the "Stick of Wisdom" - part of the packing materials from the 7939 (?) "Eagle" 8" Winchester disc drives (assuming no uncorrected parity erros in my dimm memory...) rick jones -- a wide gulf separates "what if" from "if only" these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Rick Jones]

Temor <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote: Eagles !!!! 7936/37..were you a man balancing the mech on your knee while you secured to the rails or did you use that wussy hoist that they supplied. Sorry, this is turning into a walk down memory lane !!!

Thankfully, I never had to actually install one. The 19511-80014
simply became available - surprisingly, that part never got
tossed/recycled with the rest of the packing material (sort of like
how the foam packing material surrounding 7935 disc packs would get
turned-into swords for playtime :)

Of course, not 48 hours after I said I rarely use T10 any longer, the
9000/837 that is (perhaps was :) acting as ftp.cup.hp.com went
belly-up (still working to revive/migrate it) and it seems the screws
to connect the HP-IB cards and the back access panel are all hybrid
slotted/T10's... If I were a superstitious man I'd say the two are
linked :)

rick jones
--
Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events.
these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)
feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[John Smith]

So, does anyone sell a good 'kit' of a range of sizes of torx
screwdrivers????

John.


"Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in message
news:1U1cb.5463$nD.1740@news.cpqcorp.net... Temor <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote: Eagles !!!! 7936/37..were you a man balancing the mech on your knee while you secured to the rails or did you use that wussy hoist that they supplied. Sorry, this is turning into a walk down memory lane !!! Thankfully, I never had to actually install one. The 19511-80014 simply became available - surprisingly, that part never got tossed/recycled with the rest of the packing material (sort of like how the foam packing material surrounding 7935 disc packs would get turned-into swords for playtime :) Of course, not 48 hours after I said I rarely use T10 any longer, the 9000/837 that is (perhaps was :) acting as ftp.cup.hp.com went belly-up (still working to revive/migrate it) and it seems the screws to connect the HP-IB cards and the back access panel are all hybrid slotted/T10's... If I were a superstitious man I'd say the two are linked :) rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Ben Myers]

Yes, I have a nice one from Sears for the smaller sizes. Home Depot sells Torx
too... Ben Myers

On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 20:14:58 +0100, "John Smith"
<johnNOSPAMsmith@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
So, does anyone sell a good 'kit' of a range of sizes of torxscrewdrivers????John."Rick Jones" <foo@bar.baz.invalid> wrote in messagenews:1U1cb.5463$nD.1740@news.cpqcorp.net... Temor <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote: Eagles !!!! 7936/37..were you a man balancing the mech on your knee while you secured to the rails or did you use that wussy hoist that they supplied. Sorry, this is turning into a walk down memory lane !!! Thankfully, I never had to actually install one. The 19511-80014 simply became available - surprisingly, that part never got tossed/recycled with the rest of the packing material (sort of like how the foam packing material surrounding 7935 disc packs would get turned-into swords for playtime :) Of course, not 48 hours after I said I rarely use T10 any longer, the 9000/837 that is (perhaps was :) acting as ftp.cup.hp.com went belly-up (still working to revive/migrate it) and it seems the screws to connect the HP-IB cards and the back access panel are all hybrid slotted/T10's... If I were a superstitious man I'd say the two are linked :) rick jones -- Wisdom Teeth are impacted, people are affected by the effects of events. these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Fred Nordhorn]

DAM IT my Loc-Tite is getting low

Time to buy another 25 gal of Loc-Tite

Temor wrote: Not only that...... The service manual instruction which says "secure screw to hand-tight" !!!!!! Muhahahahahaaaa......yeah right, oh boy, oh boy. "Homer Simpson" <hsimpson@burnsenergy.com> wrote in message news:ryZab.1229$iO.680@bignews5.bellsouth.net... So YOU'RE the ONE!!! "Temor" <iaintusingemail@wwworld.com> wrote in message news:ZfZab.4680578$mA4.657122@news.easynews.com... Mind you...if you are an ex-hp engineer with a twisted streak, you can always fill in the Torx head with Loc-Tite, Superglue or something just as nasty to get right up the nose of any future repairers. Not that I did that personally of course ;-) "Markeau" <please_reply@news.group> wrote in message news:kbqdnVLxXswAyvGiRVn-sA@giganews.com... > Just for the record there is another style Torx that one may encounter > called Secure Torx or Tamper Resistant Torx. Such a fastener has a > raised center, and so the tool needs to have a hollow center. See > here for what it looks like: > http://www.tannerbolt.thomasregister.com/olc/73182297/torx.htm >