Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 12mb nVidia FX5600???

[The Spectre]

Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am
looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with
the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it
hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card.

Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I
realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles should
do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[Dan Koren]

Depends on the needs of your application.

If all the graphics/video data fits into
64MB, the extra memory won't buy you any
additional performance.

Measure it.



dk


"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hZhSb.418$pe6.348@bignews4.bellsouth.net... Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[Ben Myers]

$300 as the difference in purchase price between 64MB and 128MB graphics
cards!!! Not worth it. Never. For less than $300, you can buy your own 128MB
card if you need to, install it, and keep the 64MB card as backup if the 128MB
card fails due to excessive heat. Wait a couple months and the 128MB card will
drop in price.

Or are there other technical differences between the computers to justify the
$300 difference in price tag??? ... Ben Myers

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:42:08 -0500, "The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I amlooking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one withthe 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find ithard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card.Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? Irealize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles shoulddo Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[Jack T]

I think ben is right the 300$ difference isnt worth it unless you need those
extra loading times or want to run the highest frames with the highest
quality textures

Generally speaking the difference in ram size only influences how much
faster the game can process textures, if you really need it just buy more
laptop memory and then open your AGP apeture to a larger number, while this
is slightly slower that it being on the video board the boost in frames at
the _MAX_ is only generally 10-20 frames per second from the 64-128, and
generally a processor that fast runs most games especially ones like half
life well beyond 100fps (with vsync disabled) and scientifically your eyes
dont process much over 60 frames per second, so I would just go for the 64,
and beef up the laptops main memory,

"The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hZhSb.418$pe6.348@bignews4.bellsouth.net... Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[C.Joseph Drayton]

Hi Spectre,

I have had my HP Pavilion zd7010us for a little more than 2 months, and I love it. The only bad thing about this machine is
battery life. I get 1.5 hours on a full charge. I do have all power management turned off (I have a great need for speed (ie.
performance). The machine is big, but if you use your laptop a lot (I haven't used a desktop in years), you will love the
screen. The dedicated numeric keypad is great. I liked the machine so much, I bought my son one for his birthday last week, and
he like it (he's very picky about his computer equipment).

I have put Uru and Enclave on the machine, and they both play very well.

Ciao . . .
C.Joseph

++ Let know man judge me until . . .
he has walked the road I have . . .
in the shoes I've worn. ++

http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com



The Spectre wrote: Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[C.Joseph Drayton]

Hi Ben,

Spectre is talking about a laptop. Swapping out the graphics card is not a possibility. Pretty much what graphics card you buy
is what you are stuck with for the life of the laptop.

Ciao . . .
C.Joseph

++ Let know man judge me until . . .
he has walked the road I have . . .
in the shoes I've worn. ++

http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com


Ben Myers wrote: $300 as the difference in purchase price between 64MB and 128MB graphics cards!!! Not worth it. Never. For less than $300, you can buy your own 128MB card if you need to, install it, and keep the 64MB card as backup if the 128MB card fails due to excessive heat. Wait a couple months and the 128MB card will drop in price. Or are there other technical differences between the computers to justify the $300 difference in price tag??? ... Ben Myers

[Just mee]

Sorry, but that is a total myth, invented by someone who decided that
since standard television is set at that rate, therefore that was the
maximum that human eyes could process.. It is a pure falsehood...
Nothing scientific about it.

JM


On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:51:19 GMT, "Jack T"
<witmore-forsale@Columbus.RR.com> wrote:
<snip>scientifically your eyesdont process much over 60 frames per second, so I would just go for the 64,and beef up the laptops main memory,

[Dan Koren]

On the other hand, screen refresh rate on
most laptops is set at 60Hz and cannot be
changed, so this matter is academic at
best.



dk


"Just mee" <me@mydomain.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:e58f0e8756d623b23eca6ad92fe8ae23@news.teranews.com... Sorry, but that is a total myth, invented by someone who decided that since standard television is set at that rate, therefore that was the maximum that human eyes could process.. It is a pure falsehood... Nothing scientific about it. JM On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:51:19 GMT, "Jack T" <witmore-forsale@Columbus.RR.com> wrote: <snip>scientifically your eyesdont process much over 60 frames per second, so I would just go for the
64,and beef up the laptops main memory,

[Ken Marsh]

Hi,

In article <hZhSb.418$pe6.348@bignews4.bellsouth.net> you write:
#Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600???

There is no such thing as a 64MB nVidia FX 5600. There are 128MB and
256MB versions. You have to drop down to an FX 5200 to get down to 64MB.
At that, there is still no $300 difference between the lowest priced
5200 (about $55) and the highest price 5600 (about $200 MAX but can be
had for much less, like $110).

#I am
#looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with
#the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it
#hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card.

If someone is trying to sell you any FX 5600 for more than $300, even
Canadian dollars, they are a rip-off artist. The highest price nVidia
model is only about $400, but it has 256MB not 128MB (the 5950).

I don't know about the HP 7000. You have to be careful about putting AGP
8x cards in 4x machines, some can't handle it.

#Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I
#realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles should
#do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

Even the lowest-end MX cards will do fine for Half-Life, as it is an old
game. Call of Duty will require you to turn textures way down or off for
64MB, but will still play. I don't know about 1942, but since it is
getting a little old its requirements are probably not onerous.

Upcoming games promise to use LOTS of textures, using video memory way
beyond what the screen resolution * color depth requires. If I were
buying a game video card right now, I would not consider a 64MB card at
all. I would get at least 128MB and pixel shading, DX9 and OpenGL 1.4,
probably 256MB, all of which is available for well under US$200, even
under $150.

Ken.
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[The Spectre]

Basically, no difference really other than the 64mb card and Home vs. Pro
operating system... Everything else is the same 3.06, 512RAM, 80GB, nVidia
5600 64mb. Its a warehouse club special and with their sale and HP's rebate
comes out to a pretty nice deal, under $1500.00 no tax. I just want to run
at native mode which I think is 1440x900 at a decent framerate so I can use
it to play 1942, Call of Duty etc.. Other than that mostly business Apps and
some music burning.

Someone said you can swap out the video card is that for certain? I don't
think so, I though they are part of motherboard on the HP 7000 series
laptops? If that is true then its an even better deal.

Thanks for the help I am open to any suggestion as I have a week or so
before I need to make a decision.


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:401a56a4.1103759@news.charter.net... $300 as the difference in purchase price between 64MB and 128MB graphics cards!!! Not worth it. Never. For less than $300, you can buy your own
128MB card if you need to, install it, and keep the 64MB card as backup if the
128MB card fails due to excessive heat. Wait a couple months and the 128MB card
will drop in price. Or are there other technical differences between the computers to justify
the $300 difference in price tag??? ... Ben Myers On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:42:08 -0500, "The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote:Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I amlooking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one
withthe 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find
ithard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card.Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? Irealize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
shoulddo Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[The Spectre]

There sure is look for yourself at www.HP.com :
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_store/computer_series_de
tail.do?tab_switch=true&tab=specs



"Ken Marsh" <kmarsh@fellspt.charm.net> wrote in message
news:zCzSb.39$AJ.121015@news.abs.net... Hi, In article <hZhSb.418$pe6.348@bignews4.bellsouth.net> you write: #Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? There is no such thing as a 64MB nVidia FX 5600. There are 128MB and 256MB versions. You have to drop down to an FX 5200 to get down to 64MB. At that, there is still no $300 difference between the lowest priced 5200 (about $55) and the highest price 5600 (about $200 MAX but can be had for much less, like $110). #I am #looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one
with #the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find
it #hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. If someone is trying to sell you any FX 5600 for more than $300, even Canadian dollars, they are a rip-off artist. The highest price nVidia model is only about $400, but it has 256MB not 128MB (the 5950). I don't know about the HP 7000. You have to be careful about putting AGP 8x cards in 4x machines, some can't handle it. #Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I #realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
should #do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's? Even the lowest-end MX cards will do fine for Half-Life, as it is an old game. Call of Duty will require you to turn textures way down or off for 64MB, but will still play. I don't know about 1942, but since it is getting a little old its requirements are probably not onerous. Upcoming games promise to use LOTS of textures, using video memory way beyond what the screen resolution * color depth requires. If I were buying a game video card right now, I would not consider a 64MB card at all. I would get at least 128MB and pixel shading, DX9 and OpenGL 1.4, probably 256MB, all of which is available for well under US$200, even under $150. Ken. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail: kmarsh at charm dot net | Save the environment! Buy US-made WWW: http://www.charm.net/~kmarsh | heavy industries products. -------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Dutch]

Not true, unless EVERYTHING you run on that laptop has more than 60fps
at all times. If it drops below that, you WILL feel it.

I have a desktop with far better specs than the laptop mentioned in the
OP, and while I mostly use it for Photoshop, Illustrator et al, I also
have one weakness: AOps (www.americasarmy.com). There are map portions
where I get 100fps or more and others where it drops to 20-30fps (this
is especially true on the Hospital map for those who are playing the
game). I really couldn't care less if I had a million fps in one
particular spot, what really hurts me is when it drops below 30fps.

Cosmin

Dan Koren wrote:
On the other hand, screen refresh rate on most laptops is set at 60Hz and cannot be changed, so this matter is academic at best. dk "Just mee" <me@mydomain.net.invalid> wrote in message news:e58f0e8756d623b23eca6ad92fe8ae23@news.teranews.com...Sorry, but that is a total myth, invented by someone who decided thatsince standard television is set at that rate, therefore that was themaximum that human eyes could process.. It is a pure falsehood...Nothing scientific about it.JMOn Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:51:19 GMT, "Jack T"<witmore-forsale@Columbus.RR.com> wrote:<snip>scientifically your eyesdont process much over 60 frames per second, so I would just go for the 64,and beef up the laptops main memory,

[Dutch]

The Spectre wrote:
Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

I'll throw my 2cents worth into this conversation.

If you are planning on playing any games at all on this laptop (and it
seems like you are), get the best video card and CPU you can afford.
Everything else can be upgraded later on, RAM, HDD, DVD/CDRW, etc. But
with very, very few exceptions you are stuck with the original CPU and
video card.

Cosmin

[Ben Myers]

Oops! I didn't notice that it was a laptop. As a rule, graphics in a laptop
can't be changed from what arrives when the computer is new... Ben Myers

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:05:43 -0500, "The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Basically, no difference really other than the 64mb card and Home vs. Prooperating system... Everything else is the same 3.06, 512RAM, 80GB, nVidia5600 64mb. Its a warehouse club special and with their sale and HP's rebatecomes out to a pretty nice deal, under $1500.00 no tax. I just want to runat native mode which I think is 1440x900 at a decent framerate so I can useit to play 1942, Call of Duty etc.. Other than that mostly business Apps andsome music burning.Someone said you can swap out the video card is that for certain? I don'tthink so, I though they are part of motherboard on the HP 7000 serieslaptops? If that is true then its an even better deal.Thanks for the help I am open to any suggestion as I have a week or sobefore I need to make a decision.<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in messagenews:401a56a4.1103759@news.charter.net... $300 as the difference in purchase price between 64MB and 128MB graphics cards!!! Not worth it. Never. For less than $300, you can buy your own128MB card if you need to, install it, and keep the 64MB card as backup if the128MB card fails due to excessive heat. Wait a couple months and the 128MB cardwill drop in price. Or are there other technical differences between the computers to justifythe $300 difference in price tag??? ... Ben Myers On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:42:08 -0500, "The Spectre" <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote:Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I amlooking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get onewiththe 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just findithard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card.Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? Irealize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titlesshoulddo Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

[Squiggly30]

I'll throw in my 2 cents worth as well.

For performance issues, you want to get a hard drive that has 7200 rpm
rotation speed. Mine only has a 4200 rpm drive in it, and it sucks at
playing command and conquer generals, zero hour, and my system is a 2.2 Ghz,
512 mob ram and 64 mob nvidia FX5600.
My friend's desktop has a slower processor, (Athlon XP 2000) with 512 mob
ram but with a 7200 rpm hard drive, and the same game runs way faster than
mine.

Joe

"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message
news:LcASb.73995$fgk.20448@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... The Spectre wrote: Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one
with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find
it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's? I'll throw my 2cents worth into this conversation. If you are planning on playing any games at all on this laptop (and it seems like you are), get the best video card and CPU you can afford. Everything else can be upgraded later on, RAM, HDD, DVD/CDRW, etc. But with very, very few exceptions you are stuck with the original CPU and video card. Cosmin

[Ben Myers]

Interesting tradeoffs here: Speed versus power consumption, heat and battery
life..

Faster drives consume more power and run hotter.
More memory on the graphics subsystem means greater power and more heat.

There is a good reason notebook computers often have 4200 rpm drives in them.
Less heat.

Today, the best notebook computer still cannot hold a candle to a top end
desktop for gaming.

So either it's a fast notebook that runs hot and has a short battery life, or a
slower model which runs cooler and conserves power... Ben Myers


On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:25:26 -0500, "Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca> wrote:
I'll throw in my 2 cents worth as well.For performance issues, you want to get a hard drive that has 7200 rpmrotation speed. Mine only has a 4200 rpm drive in it, and it sucks atplaying command and conquer generals, zero hour, and my system is a 2.2 Ghz,512 mob ram and 64 mob nvidia FX5600.My friend's desktop has a slower processor, (Athlon XP 2000) with 512 mobram but with a 7200 rpm hard drive, and the same game runs way faster thanmine.Joe"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in messagenews:LcASb.73995$fgk.20448@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... The Spectre wrote: Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get onewith the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just findit hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titlesshould do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's? I'll throw my 2cents worth into this conversation. If you are planning on playing any games at all on this laptop (and it seems like you are), get the best video card and CPU you can afford. Everything else can be upgraded later on, RAM, HDD, DVD/CDRW, etc. But with very, very few exceptions you are stuck with the original CPU and video card. Cosmin

[Squiggly30]

my laptop is plugged in 95% of the time, so I would welcome the faster hard
drive, and I can live with the extra bit of heat because it rarely sits on
my lap, it's almost always on a table or a desk. So, IMHO, bring on the
speed and performance.

Joe

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:401b1d12.51909890@news.charter.net... Interesting tradeoffs here: Speed versus power consumption, heat and
battery life.. Faster drives consume more power and run hotter. More memory on the graphics subsystem means greater power and more heat. There is a good reason notebook computers often have 4200 rpm drives in
them. Less heat. Today, the best notebook computer still cannot hold a candle to a top end desktop for gaming. So either it's a fast notebook that runs hot and has a short battery life,
or a slower model which runs cooler and conserves power... Ben Myers On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:25:26 -0500, "Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca>
wrote:I'll throw in my 2 cents worth as well.For performance issues, you want to get a hard drive that has 7200 rpmrotation speed. Mine only has a 4200 rpm drive in it, and it sucks atplaying command and conquer generals, zero hour, and my system is a 2.2
Ghz,512 mob ram and 64 mob nvidia FX5600.My friend's desktop has a slower processor, (Athlon XP 2000) with 512 mobram but with a 7200 rpm hard drive, and the same game runs way faster
thanmine.Joe"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in messagenews:LcASb.73995$fgk.20448@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com... The Spectre wrote: > Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I
am > looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get onewith > the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just
findit > hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. > > Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life?
I > realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titlesshould > do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's? > I'll throw my 2cents worth into this conversation. If you are planning on playing any games at all on this laptop (and it seems like you are), get the best video card and CPU you can afford. Everything else can be upgraded later on, RAM, HDD, DVD/CDRW, etc. But with very, very few exceptions you are stuck with the original CPU and video card. Cosmin

[Ben Myers]

Your use of a notebook computer is hardly traditional, but more and more people
are now using notebook computers the way you do, mostly to conserve space.

You might be able to live with the extra heat, but maybe the notebook computer
cannot. Space is awfully tight in there, with precious little breathing room
for ventilation. One of the reasons that notebooks cost lots more than desktop
computers is that somebody has done a serious amount of analysis and design to
satisfy thermal requirements. For example, if you replace a 4200 rpm drive with
a 5400 rpm drive (or even a 7200 rpm 2.5" drive, if such and animal exists), the
amount of added heat may not be ventilated sufficiently, and something in the
system will burn out.

As a rule, I would approach any and all notebook upgrades with extreme care
other than the obvious ones of installing more memory and plugging in PC Card or
USB devices... Ben Myers

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:18:04 -0500, "Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca> wrote:
my laptop is plugged in 95% of the time, so I would welcome the faster harddrive, and I can live with the extra bit of heat because it rarely sits onmy lap, it's almost always on a table or a desk. So, IMHO, bring on thespeed and performance.Joe
<SNIP!>

[Dutch]

Ben Myers wrote:
[snip]
Today, the best notebook computer still cannot hold a candle to a top end desktop for gaming. So either it's a fast notebook that runs hot and has a short battery life, or a slower model which runs cooler and conserves power... Ben Myers

[snip]

That's exactly the conclusion I reached. I have a very fast desktop for
my daily computing (mostly Photoshop) and games, and a far slower
sub-notebook for email, net, web development and other non-intensive tasks.

And since I purchased the laptop without games in mind, I'm not
dissapointed when I can't play a single modern game on it. Half Life and
CS are the only ones that do play well, but they're a bit too old.

BTW, my laptop is a Compaq Evo N410c, P3m 1.2Ghz, 12.1TFT XGA, 768Mb
RAM, 30Gb hdd, Radeon 16Mb video card. It does a great job at
everything, except games. The battery's kinda' shot, so it needs
replacing, but I still get about 2h of battery life.

Cosmin

[roger]

"C.Joseph Drayton" <kalek1@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<401aa8c1$1_1@news.athenanews.com>... Hi Spectre, I have had my HP Pavilion zd7010us for a little more than 2 months, and I love it. The only bad thing about this machine is battery life. I get 1.5 hours on a full charge. I do have all power management turned off (I have a great need for speed (ie. performance). The machine is big, but if you use your laptop a lot (I haven't used a desktop in years), you will love the screen. The dedicated numeric keypad is great. I liked the machine so much, I bought my son one for his birthday last week, and he like it (he's very picky about his computer equipment). I have put Uru and Enclave on the machine, and they both play very well. Ciao . . . C.Joseph ++ Let know man judge me until . . . he has walked the road I have . . . in the shoes I've worn. ++ http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com The Spectre wrote: Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life? I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?

Hi Spectre,

I have a Toshiba 5205-s705 with a NV 5600 64 MB and have had no
trouble running two games on it so far. I regularly run X-Plane
simulator and Hot Pursuit 2. Although not particularly stressful they
both run well. Not being an avid gamer I can't comment on other
games. Since your processor will be faster than my 2.4 GHz 400FSB,
I'll bet other games run well too. I'd say you have to weigh the
$300.00 against just savng it toward a new laptop in the future, when
games will stress it more. Then you'll want the latest laptop again.

[The Spectre]

Thanks Roger,

That is what I wanted to know. Actually this will be a stop gap between now
and end of year when I'll will build another desktop screamer...


"roger" <rhonacki@charter.net> wrote in message
news:e505878f.0401310042.6d99e4e5@posting.google.com... "C.Joseph Drayton" <kalek1@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:<401aa8c1$1_1@news.athenanews.com>... Hi Spectre, I have had my HP Pavilion zd7010us for a little more than 2 months, and
I love it. The only bad thing about this machine is battery life. I get 1.5 hours on a full charge. I do have all power
management turned off (I have a great need for speed (ie. performance). The machine is big, but if you use your laptop a lot (I
haven't used a desktop in years), you will love the screen. The dedicated numeric keypad is great. I liked the machine so
much, I bought my son one for his birthday last week, and he like it (he's very picky about his computer equipment). I have put Uru and Enclave on the machine, and they both play very well. Ciao . . . C.Joseph ++ Let know man judge me until . . . he has walked the road I have . . . in the shoes I've worn. ++ http://kalek1.home.mindspring.com The Spectre wrote: Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600??? I
am looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get one
with the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just
find it hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video card. Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942, Half-life?
I realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these titles
should do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's? Hi Spectre, I have a Toshiba 5205-s705 with a NV 5600 64 MB and have had no trouble running two games on it so far. I regularly run X-Plane simulator and Hot Pursuit 2. Although not particularly stressful they both run well. Not being an avid gamer I can't comment on other games. Since your processor will be faster than my 2.4 GHz 400FSB, I'll bet other games run well too. I'd say you have to weigh the $300.00 against just savng it toward a new laptop in the future, when games will stress it more. Then you'll want the latest laptop again.

[The Spectre]

Same here, my Toshiba has been only unplugged maybe 4 times in 8 months and
that is on trips.

"Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:A6GSb.764$_62.648@read1.cgocable.net... my laptop is plugged in 95% of the time, so I would welcome the faster
hard drive, and I can live with the extra bit of heat because it rarely sits on my lap, it's almost always on a table or a desk. So, IMHO, bring on the speed and performance. Joe <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message news:401b1d12.51909890@news.charter.net... Interesting tradeoffs here: Speed versus power consumption, heat and battery life.. Faster drives consume more power and run hotter. More memory on the graphics subsystem means greater power and more heat. There is a good reason notebook computers often have 4200 rpm drives in them. Less heat. Today, the best notebook computer still cannot hold a candle to a top
end desktop for gaming. So either it's a fast notebook that runs hot and has a short battery
life, or a slower model which runs cooler and conserves power... Ben Myers On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 20:25:26 -0500, "Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca> wrote:I'll throw in my 2 cents worth as well.For performance issues, you want to get a hard drive that has 7200 rpmrotation speed. Mine only has a 4200 rpm drive in it, and it sucks atplaying command and conquer generals, zero hour, and my system is a 2.2 Ghz,512 mob ram and 64 mob nvidia FX5600.My friend's desktop has a slower processor, (Athlon XP 2000) with 512
mobram but with a 7200 rpm hard drive, and the same game runs way faster thanmine.Joe"Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in messagenews:LcASb.73995$fgk.20448@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...> The Spectre wrote:>> > Is there a huge difference between 64mb and 128mb nVidia FX5600???
I am> > looking at getting an HP 7000 series and was wondering. I can get
onewith> > the 64mb nvidia for like $300.00 cheaper than the 128mb and I just findit> > hard to justify that kind of price difference for just a video
card.> >> > Also, how is performance on games like Call of Duty, 1942,
Half-life? I> > realize it may not be cutting edge for latest games but these
titlesshould> > do Ok right?? Anyone have one of these 17" HP's?> >>> I'll throw my 2cents worth into this conversation.>> If you are planning on playing any games at all on this laptop (and
it> seems like you are), get the best video card and CPU you can afford.> Everything else can be upgraded later on, RAM, HDD, DVD/CDRW, etc.
But> with very, very few exceptions you are stuck with the original CPU
and> video card.>> Cosmin

[The Spectre]

That's why they have a 12 month warranty and what extended warranties are
for.... If it blows up I get a NEW one, LOL. Seriously, the heat thing is
almost a non issue my 2.4GHz Toshiba does fine and being in FL I can tell
you the only down side of all the heat is the fans stay on and its a bit
noisier. But hey my last OC'ed desktop sounded like a damn 747 at takeoff
with all the fans to keep it cool. I do agree though that heat is becoming a
huge problem in ALL computing and I really am not sure what they are going
to do about it but I can tell you this next Desktop will be water cooled. No
way I am putting up with the turbine crap again..


<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:401b39a7.59227906@news.charter.net... Your use of a notebook computer is hardly traditional, but more and more
people are now using notebook computers the way you do, mostly to conserve space. You might be able to live with the extra heat, but maybe the notebook
computer cannot. Space is awfully tight in there, with precious little breathing
room for ventilation. One of the reasons that notebooks cost lots more than
desktop computers is that somebody has done a serious amount of analysis and
design to satisfy thermal requirements. For example, if you replace a 4200 rpm
drive with a 5400 rpm drive (or even a 7200 rpm 2.5" drive, if such and animal
exists), the amount of added heat may not be ventilated sufficiently, and something in
the system will burn out. As a rule, I would approach any and all notebook upgrades with extreme
care other than the obvious ones of installing more memory and plugging in PC
Card or USB devices... Ben Myers On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:18:04 -0500, "Squiggly30" <jlgsquires@cogeco.ca>
wrote:my laptop is plugged in 95% of the time, so I would welcome the faster
harddrive, and I can live with the extra bit of heat because it rarely sits
onmy lap, it's almost always on a table or a desk. So, IMHO, bring on thespeed and performance.Joe <SNIP!>

[Ken Marsh]

Hi,

The Spectre <TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote:
#There sure is look for yourself at www.HP.com :
#http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/computer_store/computer_series_de
#tail.do?tab_switch=true&tab=specs

That link just reverts to a generic front page.

The OP was taking about the "price difference for just a video card". It
now seems the discussion is about a laptop, which has NO video card, it
has built-in on-board video.

If the OP wants to talk about video cards, he shouldn't post about
laptops, or vice-versa. Anyway, a complete waste of time. Nonetheless my
advice about textures vs video memory still holds true.

Ken.
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2004 00:17:39 -0500, "The Spectre"
<TSpectre@bellsouth.net> wrote:
That's why they have a 12 month warranty and what extended warranties arefor.... If it blows up I get a NEW one, LOL. Seriously, the heat thing isalmost a non issue my 2.4GHz

Make SURE you get the ADP (accidental Damage) this is the ONLY
warranty worth getting, and it covers EVERYTHING, and is the ONLY
policy that will replace your LCD should it break (LCD will cost 649
to replace without ADT)

[Jay Bond]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 06:54:05 GMT, "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote:
The battery's kinda' shot, so it needsreplacing, but I still get about 2h of battery life.


Try running a battery calibration first