Faster Hypertansport bus

[Yousuf Khan]

SiS debutted their 755FX chipset designed for the new 939-pin A64FX next
year. Among the things revealed is SiS is planning to incorporate a 1000Mhz
Hypertransport bus in it, up from the current 800Mhz.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20031113152821.html

Now since the memory controller is outside the Hypertransport bus, it
doesn't make a lot of sense to increase the speed of Hypertransport just for
peripheral i/o throughput; Hypertransport as it now stands is more than
adequate. However, it might make some sense to increase the Hypertransport
bus speed if there is some sense that a new memory standard (DDR2?) is
coming down the line, and they want to access this memory through an
external memory controller attached to the Hypertransport. During the
transition period between old memory standard the new one, you'd need a
controller mechanism for the new memory type, since it's likely that the
Athlon itself would only have support for the older one initially. Just an
idea.

Yousuf Khan

[Tony Hill]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:02:42 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
<removethisspam.bjsk90.removethispam@hotmail.com> wrote:SiS debutted their 755FX chipset designed for the new 939-pin A64FX nextyear. Among the things revealed is SiS is planning to incorporate a 1000MhzHypertransport bus in it, up from the current 800Mhz.http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20031113152821.htmlNow since the memory controller is outside the Hypertransport bus, itdoesn't make a lot of sense to increase the speed of Hypertransport just forperipheral i/o throughput;

Of course not, but it sure sounds good when the marketing people start
making noises about it! Just look at all the fuss that VIA makes
about running their K8 chipset at 800MHz and 16-bits, just like what
the chip supports?
Hypertransport as it now stands is more thanadequate. However, it might make some sense to increase the Hypertransportbus speed if there is some sense that a new memory standard (DDR2?) iscoming down the line, and they want to access this memory through anexternal memory controller attached to the Hypertransport.

BLEAH! YUCK! Why in the hell would you want to do that?! Kill your
bandwidth AND your latency in one feel swoop! Lower your performance
by a very measurable (10%? 20%?) amount just so that you can use more
expensive memory? There's a winning proposition!

Even the marketing-drones would have a tough time swinging that one!

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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

[daytripper]

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:02:42 GMT, "Yousuf Khan"
<removethisspam.bjsk90.removethispam@hotmail.com> wrote:
SiS debutted their 755FX chipset designed for the new 939-pin A64FX nextyear. Among the things revealed is SiS is planning to incorporate a 1000MhzHypertransport bus in it, up from the current 800Mhz.http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/chipsets/display/20031113152821.htmlNow since the memory controller is outside the Hypertransport bus, itdoesn't make a lot of sense to increase the speed of Hypertransport just forperipheral i/o throughput; Hypertransport as it now stands is more thanadequate. However, it might make some sense to increase the Hypertransportbus speed if there is some sense that a new memory standard (DDR2?) iscoming down the line, and they want to access this memory through anexternal memory controller attached to the Hypertransport. During thetransition period between old memory standard the new one, you'd need acontroller mechanism for the new memory type, since it's likely that theAthlon itself would only have support for the older one initially. Just anidea. Yousuf Khan

I might be missing a turn of words, but...

"Sense"? We're *way* beyond "sense".

DDR2-400 is a reality, already in demo boards, and coming to a computer near
you soon, with DDR2-500 and beyond in the pipeline.
DDR1 is dead, say your goodbyes soon.

Multi-gigahertz chip and adapter interconnects are already extant in customer
demonstration boards. It's called PCI Express, it is now being operated at
2.5ghz, and you can bundle a bunch of links to dial up prodigious bandwidth.

Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...

/daytripper (moving too fast to stop ;-)

[John Smith]

> Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as
well...

Remember to divide by 4 or you will be raped around these parts, did you
mean 250 Mhz front side buses? As correctness police I advise immediately
cease calling 800 Mhz FSB 800 Mhz FSB and rename it to 200 Mhz FSB, so that
no one gets confused by incorrect lying and marketing drivel.

Wait, wouldn't that make things even more confusing? I don't know, I just
passing the word along (I wouldn't know herz from Hertz auto rental company
myself even if it did rape me).

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>,
day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says...

Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...

Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)

--
Keith

[daytripper]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>
wrote:
In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)

Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to?

/daytripper (fruity chips count for naught in this house ;-)

[Tony Hill]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:47:03 GMT, daytripper
<day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>wrote:In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to?

Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a
personal computer using an IBM chip, no?
/daytripper (fruity chips count for naught in this house ;-)

'dem bonderberry chips be mighty queer folk! :>

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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <kvngrvopeqjdv2292qdttg4mp86apqpqsj@4ax.com>,
day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-) Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to?

Umm, the G5/PPC970 is comp, sys, IBM, pc(in lower case), hardware, and
chips. That makes it closer to the group's charter than most articles.
;-)
/daytripper (fruity chips count for naught in this house ;-)

....counts for a lot in my house. The roof...

--
Keith

[Felger Carbon]

"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:574348eebf18ac71af027cf3fc1db0a0@news.1usenet.com... On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:47:03 GMT, daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>wrote:Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to? Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a personal computer using an IBM chip, no?

Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)

[daytripper]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 16:09:42 GMT, "Felger Carbon" <fmsfnf@jfoops.net> wrote:
"Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in messagenews:574348eebf18ac71af027cf3fc1db0a0@news.1usenet.com... On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:47:03 GMT, daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>wrote:>>Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to? Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a personal computer using an IBM chip, no?Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)

Yup. There goes the neighborhood...

/daytripper (who won't easily be convinced that G-anything counts ;-)

[daytripper]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:07:49 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>
wrote:
In article <kvngrvopeqjdv2292qdttg4mp86apqpqsj@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says...> Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well...Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-) Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to?Umm, the G5/PPC970 is comp, sys, IBM, pc(in lower case), hardware, andchips. That makes it closer to the group's charter than most articles.;-) /daytripper (fruity chips count for naught in this house ;-)...counts for a lot in my house. The roof...

You have my deepest usenet sympathies ;-)

/daytripper (You shouldda opted for the "Big Blue Iron" roof, the
"Super-VAXen" 2nd home, and the "Got Out Of Dot-Coms Before The Crash" toy
collection ;-)

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <9lnirvkh9g5afdd2s2gfjf1jqrsbj373lr@4ax.com>,
day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 11:07:49 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <kvngrvopeqjdv2292qdttg4mp86apqpqsj@4ax.com>,day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net> wrote: >In article <juc8rvofjf5b3dmna20ft3ru4ueg7suata@4ax.com>, >day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com says... > > >> Gigahertz front side buses should appear within the next 6 months as well... > >Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-) Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to?Umm, the G5/PPC970 is comp, sys, IBM, pc(in lower case), hardware, andchips. That makes it closer to the group's charter than most articles.;-) /daytripper (fruity chips count for naught in this house ;-)...counts for a lot in my house. The roof... You have my deepest usenet sympathies ;-) /daytripper (You shouldda opted for the "Big Blue Iron" roof, the "Super-VAXen" 2nd home, and the "Got Out Of Dot-Coms Before The Crash" toy collection ;-)

Good &deity. no! ...recipe for suicide. Six months before I'm no
longer a number... ...any port... Watch this space...

Just when you thought it was safe; "Thery're baaack". _Revenge_
of_the_.bombs! "Oh, the Humanity!"

--
Keith

P.S. ;-))

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <ap6ub.4666$n56.4459
@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, fmsfnf@jfoops.net says... "Tony Hill" <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:574348eebf18ac71af027cf3fc1db0a0@news.1usenet.com... On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 05:47:03 GMT, daytripper <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote:On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:44:04 -0500, Keith R. Williams <krw@attglobal.net>wrote:>>Umm, 'tripper, the Apple G5 bus is already at 1GHz. ;-)Hell, son, didn't you notice the name of the group you posted that to? Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a personal computer using an IBM chip, no? Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)

Hmmm, Tony has apparently been barred from NewsGuy. Say hi to
Tony for me guys.

--
Keith

[Tony Hill]

On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:43:09 -0500, Keith R. Williams
<krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <ap6ub.4666$n56.4459@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, fmsfnf@jfoops.net says... Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a personal computer using an IBM chip, no? Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)Hmmm, Tony has apparently been barred from NewsGuy. Say hi toTony for me guys.

Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news server
before! How did that happen?

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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

[The little lost angel]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:39 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)Hmmm, Tony has apparently been barred from NewsGuy. Say hi toTony for me guys.Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen?

Maybe they were filtering out facts? :PpPPp

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[George Macdonald]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:39 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:43:09 -0500, Keith R. Williams<krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <ap6ub.4666$n56.4459@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>, fmsfnf@jfoops.net says... > Hmm.. comp.sys.IBM.pc.hardware.chips? As I see it, the Apple G5 is a > personal computer using an IBM chip, no? Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)Hmmm, Tony has apparently been barred from NewsGuy. Say hi toTony for me guys.Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen?

Yer a closet spammer?:-) It's possible NewsGuy has a beef with 1usenet.com
- might be worth a query on that.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <3fbc41e5.49109986@news.pacific.net.sg>, a?n?g?e?
l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com says... On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:39 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca> wrote:> Tony, shame on you for introducing actual facts into a csiphc thread. ;-)Hmmm, Tony has apparently been barred from NewsGuy. Say hi toTony for me guys.Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen? Maybe they were filtering out facts? :PpPPp

No, Canadians. ;-)

--
Keith

[Tony Hill]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 09:30:44 -0500, Keith R. Williams
<krw@attglobal.net> wrote:In article <3fbc41e5.49109986@news.pacific.net.sg>, a?n?g?e?l@lovergirl.lrigrevol.moc.com says...Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen? Maybe they were filtering out facts? :PpPPpNo, Canadians. ;-)

Yup, as usual, blame Canada :>

Hmm, now my news server seems to be filtering me out on this end as
well, it's only let me download 3 articles in the last 24 hours or so.
Must be 'Dubya being pissed off at Canada again :>

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Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

[Tony Hill]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:37:31 -0500, George Macdonald
<fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:39 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>wrote:Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen?Yer a closet spammer?:-) It's possible NewsGuy has a beef with 1usenet.com- might be worth a query on that.

Closet spammer? Certainly not! Just look at my e-mail address,
"nospam"! That's not there to try and confuse the spammers, it
simply means "I send no spam" :>

Actually I think that the problem is that 1usenet.com is currently
having a beef with itself. Their servers seem to be in the process of
committing suicide, which is why I'm posting through my ISPs news
server.

Tony Hill
hilla <underscore> 20 <at> yahoo <dot> ca

[Keith R. Williams]

In article <3p2qrvk1mlioguqim55ucbjt83s9e07sdu@4ax.com>, hilla_nospam_
20@yahoo.ca says... On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 02:37:31 -0500, George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> wrote:On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 16:54:39 GMT, Tony Hill <hilla_nospam_20@yahoo.ca>wrote:Hmm, cool, I don't think I've ever been barred from a news serverbefore! How did that happen?Yer a closet spammer?:-) It's possible NewsGuy has a beef with 1usenet.com- might be worth a query on that. Closet spammer? Certainly not! Just look at my e-mail address, "nospam"! That's not there to try and confuse the spammers, it simply means "I send no spam" :>

Well, well, well. TonyH *is* alive and well. ;-) Actually I think that the problem is that 1usenet.com is currently having a beef with itself. Their servers seem to be in the process of committing suicide, which is why I'm posting through my ISPs news server.

....much better. Hi Tony!

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Keith