Any Socket A motherboards with PCI-X slots?

[Paul Hanlon]

As subject, I'm wondering what the choice is when it comes to choosing
a motherboard with PCI-X. Preferably AMD nforce2, AGP 8X and
integrated sound/lan.

[Rob Stow]

Paul Hanlon wrote: As subject, I'm wondering what the choice is when it comes to choosing a motherboard with PCI-X. Preferably AMD nforce2, AGP 8X and integrated sound/lan.

My understanding is that NForce and NForce2 do not support
PCI-X.

I don't think you'll have much luck finding PCI-X except
perhaps on the dualies - and all of the Socket A dualies
use AMD chipsets.

NForce3 supports PCI-X, but that would mean moving from
Socket A to Socket 940. Even then, I don't recall seeing
PCI-X on any Opteron boards except dualies - and most, if
not all, of the dualies use the AMD chipset. The Tyan
S2885 is one nice piece of kit.


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[daytripper]

On 15 Nov 2003 08:33:15 -0800, tcpaulh@hotmail.com (Paul Hanlon) wrote:
As subject, I'm wondering what the choice is when it comes to choosinga motherboard with PCI-X. Preferably AMD nforce2, AGP 8X andintegrated sound/lan.

You might want to be a bit cautious wrt investing in PCI-X devices at this
point. If expenses are being tightly managed, I'd slog along with what I was
driving for a little while longer.

PCI Express isn't far down the road, there are PCI Express chipsets already on
engineering demo boards today, there are engineering demo PCI Express option
cards today, heck there's already a plug-fest scheduled for December.

http://www.pcisig.com/news_room/news/press_releases/2003_09_16b/

My swag is you'll see platforms on sale by Q3 CY04.

/daytripper

[Tony Hill]

On 15 Nov 2003 08:33:15 -0800, tcpaulh@hotmail.com (Paul Hanlon)
wrote:As subject, I'm wondering what the choice is when it comes to choosinga motherboard with PCI-X. Preferably AMD nforce2, AGP 8X andintegrated sound/lan.

In a word, no. There are no chipsets currently available for socket A
that support PCI-X. If you want PCI-X now, you can find some very
rare P4 setups (Tyan has one, but I think they're the only ones), a
Xeon system or an Opteron system (or a PowerMac G5 :> ).

As Daytripper mentioned, PCI-X might be a bit of a sketchy proposition
right now.

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[John Smith]

> You might want to be a bit cautious wrt investing in PCI-X devices at this point. If expenses are being tightly managed, I'd slog along with what I
was driving for a little while longer.

I was told just the other week, that you can always buy a new motherboard
and peripherals and re-install your operating system, it's not a big deal.
And I thought I'd want to hold until Prescott and PCI Express launch, and
ATI or nVidia have graphics boards available for PCI Express.

But I was corrected: better buy AGP 8X based system now, and throw it away
few months later and start over. Upgrading to the cutting-edge, latest
processor should be the priority, not the thought that you might want to
stick with the same machine again for a few years (that's for idiots,
apparently, to use older than 4 month system).

Hope this helps in deciding.

[jack]

wogston <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
:: You might want to be a bit cautious wrt investing in PCI-X devices
:: at this point. If expenses are being tightly managed, I'd slog along
:: with what I was driving for a little while longer.
:
: I was told just the other week, that you can always buy a new
: motherboard and peripherals and re-install your operating system,
: it's not a big deal. And I thought I'd want to hold until Prescott
: and PCI Express launch, and ATI or nVidia have graphics boards
: available for PCI Express.
:
: But I was corrected: better buy AGP 8X based system now, and throw it
: away few months later and start over. Upgrading to the cutting-edge,
: latest processor should be the priority, not the thought that you
: might want to stick with the same machine again for a few years
: (that's for idiots, apparently, to use older than 4 month system).
:

FOAD, troll.

J.

[John Smith]

> FOAD, troll.

Thank you very much, but when I was told the above gems of wisdom, where
were you then? Seems your guard was let down for a moment there Ranger.

[jack]

wogston <someone@microsoft.com> wrote:
:: FOAD, troll.
:
: Thank you very much, but when I was told the above gems of wisdom,
: where were you then? Seems your guard was let down for a moment there
: Ranger.

Listen up you Polish sausage. You're a troll and a half-wit. Why don't
you go home to Mommy now, and watch her take a bath as you stroke your
favorite friend....loser.

J.

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[John Smith]

> Listen up you Polish sausage. You're a troll and a half-wit. Why don't you go home to Mommy now, and watch her take a bath as you stroke your favorite friend....loser.

I'm not Polish but thanks for the good guess. I am a troll, correct, thanks
for feeding me. I am a half-wit but it's not politically correct to say it,
but I thank you for your courage.

[chrisv]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:39:23 +0200, "wogston" <someone@microsoft.com>
wrote:
But I was corrected: better buy AGP 8X based system now, and throw it awayfew months later and start over. Upgrading to the cutting-edge, latestprocessor should be the priority, not the thought that you might want tostick with the same machine again for a few years (that's for idiots,apparently, to use older than 4 month system).

You do seem to have an irrational attraction to PCI-X. To 99.999% of
the world, this feature is NOT worth waiting for, at this point in
time.

[John Smith]

> You do seem to have an irrational attraction to PCI-X. To 99.999% of the world, this feature is NOT worth waiting for, at this point in time.

I'm sorry, did you just confuse the PCI-X to the PCI Express?

[John Smith]

> I'm sorry, did you just confuse the PCI-X to the PCI Express?

Oh and p.s. I am not waiting for either of those, I just will not upgrade
before PCI Express systems are available. It'll remain to be seen at which
point after they are available. I'm perfectly happy with the system I
currently have.

The main attraction for me in future hardware are gadgets, which can run
vertex shader 3.0 instructions and that is merely a geek-factor to get to
play with the features. I'm mainly looking for:

- vertex samplers
- stream frequency

The rest is just icing on the cake. What this has to do with PCI Express?
Nothing except I might just aswell on the same time upgrade the whole
workstation, about time don't you think? So far it has been smooth popping
the case open and forcing the new gfx card in with a sledgehammer. It just
happens that the release of next gen GPU's and PCI Express happen roughly at
the same time so it makes sense for me to do both. But I might indeed be
expecting miracles, but it's no big deal, all in all, I'm not really
'waiting' for anything particular to happen in that area.

Hope this clears up the misconceptions you had about my expectations of
their exaggerateness in general. The Press Conference will be held at 1400
GMT.