Should we not KILLfile this MS guy?

[Dave]

"Robert Myers" <rmyers@rustuck.com> wrote in message
news:dspc6052nvf8ah9on0sj05u8e92jfcvoc6@4ax.com... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:27:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSptaemltje@yahoo.com> wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/03/26/seach.microsoft.ap/index.htmlSteve Balmer says (among other things):At the conference Thursday, Microsoft also unveiled a study on theeffectiveness of online advertising. The company is using the study as
thebasis for an argument that companies spending around 1 percent on onlineadvertising should consider increasing that percentage to 4 percent or 5percent because people are spending more time online.Ballmer said Microsoft spends about 12 percent of its media budget on
onlineadvertising, and that he orders his staff to "saturate" that market firstand foremost."I want to make sure [a user] can't get through ... an online experiencewithout hitting a Microsoft ad," he said.end quoteSo now my PC has to be littered with MS adds!600 million fine was not enough it seems.Let's raise it to 6 billion. Very proud to be an American,

Go over to Iraq and say that. Just take one good look at what our current
administration has done to their civil infrastructure in the name of "Iraqi
Freedom" (ATTENTION! THIS IS THE U.S. MILITARY! WE ARE HERE TO ENFORCE
DEMOCRACY! ANYONE NOT IN SUPPORT OF OUR MISSION WILL BE BOMBED WITH WAY TOO
MUCH COLLATERAL DAMAGE!). The DU dumped into their water. The lack of
supplies in their hospitals. THINGS FOR THE IRAQI CITIZEN ARE FAR WORSE NOW
THAN WHEN SADDAM WAS THERE! In the name of "democracy" eh? What about all
the people here WHO ARE SACRIFICING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY TO PAY FOR THIS
DEBACLE? Screw your American Pride. Put it in your crack-pipe and smoke it
down next time you are stopped and searched at a checkpoint because some
administration thinks it's a good idea to cut down on the "terrorism" they
once sponsored, financed, and ALLOWED INTO OUR COUNTRY IN THE FIRST PLACE.

but I'm not proud of Microsoft and I'm not proud of the way our legal system dealt with Microsoft's monopolistic behavior. Proud to be from Massachusetts, the only government entity not to sell out its citizens.

You're kidding me, right? Please tell me! Several things pop up in mind:

1) Jane Swift
2) Big Dig
3) Outfall Pipe
4) State toll collections: what do they REALLY finance?
5) State-run vehicle inspection and insurance
6) Cleanup at Otis? Where the people get to pay for weapons manufacture,
waste management strategies are an afterthought, the milk-i-tary sells dated
hardware to third-world countries at zero return to the taxpayer who paid
for it in the first place, and then we get to pay for the mess to be cleaned
up, too? Groundwater contamination from military swept under rug? HIGHEST
CANCER STATISTICS ON THE EAST COAST? Naah...just kidding...

I live on the Cape. It is becoming one large retirement community where
people go to be gouged until they are sucked dry and expire in debt.
Property values are skyrocketing and the cost of goods and services is
following closely. And we won't start on the plummeting quality of public
education. Or the defunding thereof, and of other civil safety nets.
Massachusetts sold out on its citizens LONG AGO. It is becoming a republic.
A police state. One big "good ol' boys club" with the rest of 'em. Not
nearly as bad as California YET. And I do mean "YET"...

Maybe the EU can do better. With any luck, Gates & Co. will wind up wishing the settlement in US courts had looked fair enough that the rest of the world, the EU in particular, would have seen fit to let the American legal system take the lead. As it is, I think Microsoft has overplayed its hand badly. They may have won a battle, and they may win one or two more, but they are going to lose the war.

Not here. They have it worked out with our government that snooping is more
easily facilitated. And there's a glimmer on the horizon about M$McSodomWare
powering automotive navigation/tollpaying/monitoring systems nationwide.
It's not like they can't get the satellite time to put it all into practice.
They're practically untouchable here now. Microsoft is all about the removal
of choice these days, and locking their consumer base into a cycle of
dependency in order to sustain their inflow and profitability. Like with
many corporations, there is an extreme DISRESPECT for the end-user. But this
will get worse before it gets better. We are about to see exactly what that
means...
RM

Pride goeth before a WHAT, folks???

Hubris, pure and simple.

[Robert Myers]

On Wed, 07 Apr 2004 19:43:07 GMT, "Dave" <whyigetnospam@here.org>
wrote:
"Robert Myers" <rmyers@rustuck.com> wrote in messagenews:dspc6052nvf8ah9on0sj05u8e92jfcvoc6@4ax.com... On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:27:45 GMT, Jan Panteltje <pNaonSptaemltje@yahoo.com> wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/internet/03/26/seach.microsoft.ap/index.htmlSteve Balmer says (among other things):At the conference Thursday, Microsoft also unveiled a study on theeffectiveness of online advertising. The company is using the study asthebasis for an argument that companies spending around 1 percent on onlineadvertising should consider increasing that percentage to 4 percent or 5percent because people are spending more time online.Ballmer said Microsoft spends about 12 percent of its media budget ononlineadvertising, and that he orders his staff to "saturate" that market firstand foremost."I want to make sure [a user] can't get through ... an online experiencewithout hitting a Microsoft ad," he said.end quoteSo now my PC has to be littered with MS adds!600 million fine was not enough it seems.Let's raise it to 6 billion. Very proud to be an American,Go over to Iraq and say that.

<snip>

I prefaced what I had to say, which was critical of the way that the
Justice Department settled the Microsoft Anti-trust statement, with an
acknowledgement that I am an American and proud to be so, so that no
one would see my post as an invitation to America-bashing. You seem
to want to America-bash, anyway. That's your right, but if I wanted
to be a part of politicial discussions that have nothing to do with
PC's, I'd be doing it elsewhere, and I wish you would, too.
but I'm not proud of Microsoft and I'm not proud of the way our legal system dealt with Microsoft's monopolistic behavior. Proud to be from Massachusetts, the only government entity not to sell out its citizens.You're kidding me, right?
<snip>

Fortune magazine just ranked Massachusetts as the state best
positioned for high technology. That's in no small reason because of
the enormous concentration of intellectual capital that the state
possesses.

There are things about Massachusetts politics that seem pretty strange
to me, but I don't know what they have to do with csiphc and this
certainly is not the place to discuss them.
Maybe the EU can do better. With any luck, Gates & Co. will wind up wishing the settlement in US courts had looked fair enough that the rest of the world, the EU in particular, would have seen fit to let the American legal system take the lead. As it is, I think Microsoft has overplayed its hand badly. They may have won a battle, and they may win one or two more, but they are going to lose the war.Not here. They have it worked out with our government that snooping is moreeasily facilitated. And there's a glimmer on the horizon about M$McSodomWarepowering automotive navigation/tollpaying/monitoring systems nationwide.It's not like they can't get the satellite time to put it all into practice.They're practically untouchable here now. Microsoft is all about the removalof choice these days, and locking their consumer base into a cycle ofdependency in order to sustain their inflow and profitability. Like withmany corporations, there is an extreme DISRESPECT for the end-user. But thiswill get worse before it gets better. We are about to see exactly what thatmeans...

I _am_ plainly embarrassed that Microsoft has broken the law, abused
the marketplace and its customers, and that the U.S. Justice
Department settled with a slap on the wrist.
Pride goeth before a WHAT, folks???Hubris, pure and simple.

Just as a matter of style, if you want to talk about humility, you
might try some on for size before stepping up to the podium,
loudspeaker in hand.

RM

[Roger Hunt]

In article <fRYcc.89661$w54.521211@attbi_s01>, Dave
<whyigetnospam@here.org> writes
(big snip) Microsoft is all about the removalof choice these days, and locking their consumer base into a cycle ofdependency in order to sustain their inflow and profitability.

Quite - Power without responsibility.
Dangerous.
--
Roger Hunt