Hello

I've got a client that wants a two color business card, two pantone
colors. One is a light blue and the other pantone black. One element
has a nice black dropshadow on the blue, but I want to make it
overprint... not knock out the blue.

How do i make a dropshadow a certain pms color and then specify it to
overprint? Is it even possible?

thanks

RC Moonpie wrote:

Pantone Black?
Whatever black, Pantone can not be transparent, and I do believe you are
looking for that. You might try to make a duotone, but I doubt that will
give the effect you are looking for. And how to do that with just the
shadow part......

Or it's gonna be CMYK, not handy for logo's and such, but if its a small
client with no big printing jobs in the future that will work. CMYK vs.
PMS does not make much difference in costs nowadays. I even noticed some
printing offices charge more for PMS.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2006 00:20:33 +0200, steggy <steggy2001@hotmail.com>
wrote:




Thanks for the input. That explains why I couldnt figure out how to do
it.... it cant be done. haha!

I'll tell the client if they want it this way, it has to be cmyk.

On 9/13/06 10:04 AM, RC Moonpie commented:


Is the drop shadow made with the drop shadow filter with a soft edge
(feathering), or is it a duplicate of a vector object/text? If the latter is
true then it can be done without the use of transparency or raster effects.
You would set the duplicate/shadow to a tint percentage of Pantone Black and
set it to overprint in attributes. Use Overprint Preview to see your
results. Me, I'm pretty sick & tired of the blurry, soft drop shadows.

(In case your client pouts
Even if you use a raster effect on a duplicate to feather the edge you could
set it to a tint percentage of Pantone Black and to overprint, BUT, it's a
*raster* effect and I think feathering still involves transparency
regardless, so you would have to flatten transparency or rasterize in a
final version, and this makes the piece resolution dependent. If you do this
make sure you set your document setup and raster effects settings properly
and that eveverything is the precise size/dimensions for printing. Resizing
is a bad thing once something is resolution dependent

I'm sure others will jump in if I've made a mistake or mislead you in
anyway.

inez

PS_I love spot color prints; the colors can be so much richer Don't forget
that you have a few different Pantone Blacks to choose from and some may be
more complimentary to the second color than others.

In article <fk6eg2h5g7p9vr5eu7ursg9ftc6fi2c4ag@4ax.com>,
RC Moonpie <rc_moonpies@hotmail.com> wrote:


Spot color, tint blend (or gradient) to 0% tint (blend preferred, as
it's easier to troubleshoot). Set elements to overprint.


- Doug

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 01:18:02 GMT, inez <inezhsmith@earthlink.net>
wrote:





Soft edge feathered. If it was just a solid clone of the object, sure,
fill with pantone black and mark overprint.


or is it a duplicate of a vector object/text? If the latter is


That's an interesting alternative, I'll show that in a comp to them as
an alternative. Thank you, very helpful






How exactly would I achieve this? I wasnt aware I could use a raster
effect and set it to overprint. Can you give a little more
explanation?




BUT, it's a


thanks.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 07:13:58 GMT, Doug Winger <justdoug@socal.rr.com>
wrote:



ok i'll try that too, that may be more or less what Inez said. Thank
you for that too.

Whats a tint blend? Have two elements, one at 100%, one at 0%, select
both and use blend command?

or are you suggesting another method?

On 9/14/06 9:38 AM, RC Moonpie commented:

I'd try to sell this idea if it looks good. Everything stays vector,
resizable, elegant and simple

I should preface this by saying I'm still using Illy 9.0.2, so I don't know
everything that may be possible in higher versions.

When you use the Drop Shadow effect it creates an image, thus the additional
problem of assigning a spot color. But, if you used Effect>Stylize>Feather
it remains a vector object. This makes it possible to duplicate and object
and create your own drop shadow with spot color set to tint percentage and
set to overprint. I'm not sure if the Feather effect used in this way uses
transparency; it may. You'll have to check if no one on this list can give a
definitive answer. If it does, then you may need to Flatten Transparency, or
speak to the printer and let them handle it.

You're welcome. I don't get the opportunity to participate much anymore,
both because of my schedule and because many questions are specific to
higher version. Thanks for the opportunity to *think in Illy* :¬)

inez

On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 01:03:02 GMT, inez <inezhsmith@earthlink.net>
wrote:




very good, again, thanks