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Old 09-27-2006, 12:17 PM
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:18 +0100, druck wrote:
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as they are not developing LanMan98 anymore due to lack of customers, Doh! That's a shame, it's an excellent product. Well there is no point in good software sitting around rotting. We need to negotiate the rights and get it to someone who can update it, or put it out to open source.


Not always the same thing. They may not have enough customers to warrant
further development of it, but they may still be making money out of it.

Although it does look like WSS is completely dormant at the moment.

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Old 09-27-2006, 01:01 PM
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In article <3417156d4e.druck@druck.freeuk.net>,
druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
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On 27 Sep 2006 Michael Hambley <mike@armpowered.co.uk> wrote:
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In message <c157ed6c4e.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> Adrian Crafer <acrafer@orpheusmail.co.uk> wrote:
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I spoke to Paul Gardiner of Warm Silence and he was very helpful, but
Yes, I had a problem some time ago and had a chat with him, very helpfull and we got my problem solved between us in no time.
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as they are not developing LanMan98 anymore due to lack of customers,
Doh! That's a shame, it's an excellent product.

Well there is no point in good software sitting around rotting. We need to negotiate the rights and get it to someone who can update it, or put it out to open source.


I was just about to post exactly the same thing. There must be quite a few
applications like LanMan98 that haven't been developed for quite some time
and need updating.

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Old 09-27-2006, 01:34 PM
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In message <135a0f6d4e.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>
Matthew Phillips <mnews@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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In message <e625e36b4e.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> on 25 Sep 2006 Adrian Crafer wrote:
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The alternative I looked at was a Lyksys Network Storage Link, but since from the manual that unit wanted to reformat the drive to a non standard format, it worked with a standard USB type boxes, I went off that one.
The Linksys unit does actually use a standard format, though the manual doesn't admit it. It uses ext3, which is the standard format on Linux. Admittedly Windows doesn't support it out of the box, which is probably why the manual doesn't own up to what format is used.


That suggests that the Linksys unit is running Linux, which is serving
the disc over SMB. If that is the case, there is a reasonable chance
that it would work with RISC OS. The issues, as I recall from
experiments with Linux doing just that, are to do with setting the
permissions, and the question then becomes how much control do you
have over the Linksys system.

I did read somewhere about one unit, might have been by Linksys, which
could be reprogrammed - essentially install full Linux on it, then you
do have control. That might be a useful way to go.



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Old 09-27-2006, 01:54 PM
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In message <6b801e6d4e.Alan.Adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk>
Alan Adams <alan.adams@orchard-way.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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In message <135a0f6d4e.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk> Matthew Phillips <mnews@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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In message <e625e36b4e.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> on 25 Sep 2006 Adrian Crafer wrote:
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The alternative I looked at was a Lyksys Network Storage Link, but since from the manual that unit wanted to reformat the drive to a non standard format, it worked with a standard USB type boxes, I went off that one.
The Linksys unit does actually use a standard format, though the manual doesn't admit it. It uses ext3, which is the standard format on Linux. Admittedly Windows doesn't support it out of the box, which is probably why the manual doesn't own up to what format is used.
That suggests that the Linksys unit is running Linux, which is serving the disc over SMB. If that is the case, there is a reasonable chance that it would work with RISC OS. The issues, as I recall from experiments with Linux doing just that, are to do with setting the permissions, and the question then becomes how much control do you have over the Linksys system. I did read somewhere about one unit, might have been by Linksys, which could be reprogrammed - essentially install full Linux on it, then you do have control. That might be a useful way to go.


If it's the Lynksys NSLU2 then it can be reprogrammed certainly to some
extrent as I was looking into getting one to attach the Topfield PVR box we
have to it which would then turn it into a LAD device instead of having to
dissconnect it and hump it through to the PC to plug it into the USB to get
recordings off it for DVD burning. There is a software or firmware (I
forget which now) for this very purpose, it won't work with the Toppy out of
the box but apparrently does so very well indeed with this other soft/firm
ware. If it doesn't work with RO then I think it coul quite easily be made
to by some one with those sorts of skills (which sadly I don't).

Cheers, Mike....


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Old 09-27-2006, 02:02 PM
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In article <2bd7f16c4e.Michael@armpowered.co.uk>,
Michael Hambley <mike@armpowered.co.uk> wrote:
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And to follow up what I said before about NetSurf being able to access it, well it allowed me to log in and showed the main page which is why I posted that before but afterwards I tried to do stuff with it which it wouldn't allow. It simply didn't respond to clicking any of the "change" buttons.


So presumably the page uses Javascript. If you look at the page source
can you determine what subsidiary pages would be fetched if you clicked
on certain buttons, and put those addresses in the URL bar directly?

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Old 09-28-2006, 04:13 AM
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In article <pan.2006.09.27.20.17.41.401721@rjek.com>, Rob Kendrick
<URL:mailto:nntp@rjek.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:18 +0100, druck wrote:
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> as they are not developing LanMan98 anymore due to lack of customers, Doh! That's a shame, it's an excellent product. Well there is no point in good software sitting around rotting. We need to negotiate the rights and get it to someone who can update it, or put it out to open source.
Not always the same thing. They may not have enough customers to warrant further development of it, but they may still be making money out of it.


LanMan98 is a mature product, it sounds like no development would have fixed
the OP problem:-(
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Although it does look like WSS is completely dormant at the moment.


Their web site is down and I am told will be for some time, but their
excellent range of software is still available from them or us!
We have most titles 'In stock' :-)

n.b. emails to wss.co.uk are still getting through.

Chris Evans

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Old 09-28-2006, 04:16 AM
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In article <135a0f6d4e.Matthew@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk>, Matthew Phillips
<URL:mailto:mnews@sinenomine.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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In message <e625e36b4e.bz36@orpheusnet.co.uk> on 25 Sep 2006 Adrian Crafer wrote:
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The alternative I looked at was a Lyksys Network Storage Link, but since from the manual that unit wanted to reformat the drive to a non standard format, it worked with a standard USB type boxes, I went off that one.
The Linksys unit does actually use a standard format, though the manual doesn't admit it. It uses ext3, which is the standard format on Linux.


With the latest firmware on an NSLU2 (which we upgraded yours to Matthew
before shipping) you can use FAT32

Though Windows versions after 98SE / 2000? won't format large drives to FAT32
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Admittedly Windows doesn't support it out of the box, which is probably why the manual doesn't own up to what format is used.



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Old 09-28-2006, 08:51 AM
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On 28 Sep 2006 Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <pan.2006.09.27.20.17.41.401721@rjek.com>, Rob Kendrick <URL:mailto:nntp@rjek.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:18 +0100, druck wrote:
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>> as they are not developing LanMan98 anymore due to lack of customers,>> Doh! That's a shame, it's an excellent product. Well there is no point in good software sitting around rotting. We need to negotiate the rights and get it to someone who can update it, or put it out to open source.
Not always the same thing. They may not have enough customers to warrant further development of it, but they may still be making money out of it.
LanMan98 is a mature product, it sounds like no development would have fixed the OP problem:-(


There is plenty that can be done to it though. It needs support for
encrypted passwords, and also for some timeout issues to be fixed.

Its a crying shame the source is sitting on my harddisc after 32bitting it.
I dont have time to do the work necessary, but someone does, and I'm sure
we could get something sorted out, which would be to WSS's and everyone elses
benefit.

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Old 09-28-2006, 02:54 PM
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In message <f180886d4e.druck@druck.freeuk.net>
druck <news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
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On 28 Sep 2006 Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:
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In article <pan.2006.09.27.20.17.41.401721@rjek.com>, Rob Kendrick <URL:mailto:nntp@rjek.com> wrote:
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:18 +0100, druck wrote:>>> as they are not developing LanMan98 anymore due to lack of customers,>>>> Doh! That's a shame, it's an excellent product.>> Well there is no point in good software sitting around rotting. We need> to negotiate the rights and get it to someone who can update it, or put> it out to open source. Not always the same thing. They may not have enough customers to warrant further development of it, but they may still be making money out of it.
LanMan98 is a mature product, it sounds like no development would have fixed the OP problem:-(
There is plenty that can be done to it though. It needs support for encrypted passwords, and also for some timeout issues to be fixed. Its a crying shame the source is sitting on my harddisc after 32bitting it. I dont have time to do the work necessary, but someone does, and I'm sure we could get something sorted out, which would be to WSS's and everyone elses benefit.


I'm fairly skint just now having just been made redundant but I'd be very
willing to pay for an update to LM98 that would fully work with my NAS
drive. I hope some one can step up and take this on and WSS allow it.

Cheers, Mike....


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Old 09-29-2006, 09:13 AM
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In article <f180886d4e.druck@druck.freeuk.net>, druck
<news@druck.freeuk.com> wrote:
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On 28 Sep 2006 Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> wrote:


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LanMan98 is a mature product, it sounds like no development would have fixed the OP problem:-(
There is plenty that can be done to it though. It needs support for encrypted passwords, and also for some timeout issues to be fixed.
Its a crying shame the source is sitting on my harddisc after 32bitting it. I dont have time to do the work necessary, but someone does, and I'm sure we could get something sorted out, which would be to WSS's and everyone elses benefit.


Does Lanman98 (1.22) support the mimemap file or does it just rely on
LanMan98Map commands? As if not that would be one feature I'd like to see
added.

Another thing, I've got CDROMFS, LanMan98 & Win95FS on my computer, looking
at them the other day it occurred to me that there was a lot of repetition
in the 3 different applications especially in CDROMFS & Win95FS. Would it
be possible to combine 2 or 3 of them into 1 larger application?

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