In article <7cplyhrciues$.juhmjwg7kfk.dlg@40tude.net>,
Morgan Ohlson <morgan.ohlson@comhem.se> wrote:
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Wouldn't you use any of thiese? (some may already be included in Metapad).One or a few, but not more of thies are often implemented in coders editors.
Most of these would be quite distracting to me when writing fiction, and I
would just turn them off. A couple are useful:
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# AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search (find scene or part in largetext)
The text editor vi does this better--not just and/or but full regexp syntax.
I have seldom encountered something I couldn't find with vi, except that
matching across lines baffles me.
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# spell on demand (+personal dictionary)
Having the ability to have a different dictionary for each novel would
be helpful, as words which are proper names in one novel are often just
typoes or thinkos in the others.
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# join files
Essential, but vi does it fine.
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# large file potential >1.5 million words (most modern editors already dothis)
Very useful to me as a programmer, but I've never needed it as a fiction
writer, and suspect I never will! Gosh, that's huge. I suppose if Mary
Gentle wanted all of _Ash_ in one file....
What I would like to have:
Correct handling of curly quotes and dashes. I know I can just turn them
off, but if they are turned on, they should be right! Neither Word nor
OpenOffice can do this, and in LaTeX you have to handle the curly quotes
yourself.
Graceful handling of running heads, for submissions versions. I don't
like the way any of my available programs do it.
A routine to change Usenet-style text with hard line breaks correctly to
word-processor style text with soft line breaks except between paragraphs.
(I do this with search and replace, but it's mildly tedious and seldom
100% accurate.)
Other than that, I don't feel any lacks in my current tools. LaTeX with
SFFMS is great for submissions. I've even gotten reconciled to the use of
Word, with most features turned off, for composition, though vi is also
fine for me.
A real NovelEssayEDitor will probably not be the VERY FASTEST of
all, >> but it should be the fastest _real _word-editor_ around.
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No. Or only if the extra features help the way I write. So far, none have -- and your list of features includes more which would get in the way for me than would help. I write using a simple text editor. Metapad is fast, and reasonably easy to use. Preparing for submission is another matter; for that, something more elaborate can be needed.
-------- All creative writers should happily use coding software. It would only be stupid to wish for a well adapted creative writers editors, smaller and faster compared tho the lay-out, word processors. Everything is perfect, right now. Lets freeze evolution!
Next time, before you get sarcastic, make sure you've understood what I
said.
I did not say "all creative writers." I said "I".
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No, no.... The goal is not really to get rid of the original wordpad. More like replacing the powerful program-coding editors with creative writers dito for those who like creative writing. Wouldn't you use any of thiese? (some may already be included in Metapad). One or a few, but not more of thies are often implemented in coders editors. # quick-name/word insert
Search and replace; if there's any word processor or text editor which
doesn't have this, I've been lucky enough not to encounter it.
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# speed bookmark (jump-position in text)
No.
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# bookmark with visible tag
No.
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# AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search (find scene or part in large text)
If it was there, and not too inconvenient, I would probably use it.
But it would be only slightly more useful than ordinary search.
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# search find all (helps chapter coding)
No.
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# highlight color all marked (helps chapter coding)
No.
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# extensive statistics in file
_After_ I've written, I use NotePad Lite for this.
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# language analyzis (DIY critics)
Maybe. I used to use stand-alone programs for this; haven't bothered
in about ten years.
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# used words analyzis (DIY critics)
NotePad Lite's statistics include this.
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# color interface options
No.
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# Active Line highlight (high visibility - improved LapTop use)
Not needed on the laptop I'm using right now.
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# big txt-cursor, transparent (high visibility)
No.
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# set page width (improve readability)
Yes, to set it as wide as possible. Most of the stuff which is
supposed to make text more readable makes it _less_ readable for me.
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# quick outzoom ~40% user prefered (improve overview as in searches etc)
I use OpenWord for this -- after I've written something, not while
writing it.
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# autoword (as in cellphones)
?Don't know what this is.
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# easy dic &thesaurus installation/change
Yes.
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# autosave XX minutes
No.
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# autosave to X-file
No.
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# quickstart project icon creation (start application and a choosen set of files)
No.
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# encryption files for security
No.
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# well implemented plug-ins feat. (load only used features for versatility)
I turn off features I don't use; if a program doesn't allow that, I'm
likely to delete it.
# split windows (same file side-by-side)
No.
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# show status (saved, words etc. Most multifile editors already do this)
Sometimes.
# open multifile (opens many file in one op.)
No.
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# open project (set of files opened in one click)
No.
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# reload from last opened (autosave backup)
Maybe, probably not.
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# join files
No.
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# extended files history (~25)
Maybe.
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# import outliners (treepad/keynote/TkOutliner)
No.
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# all hotkeys
No.
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# no icons (minimalistic for speed and ram use)
Already available.
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# large file potential >1.5 million words (most modern editors already do this)
I don't need nearly that much. And if I'm writing something long
enough to have chapters, I have each chapter in a separate file.
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# (Invention) color categories text (multinode se below)
No.
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# Colomn visualization of text (as in sudden view. powerful for orintation) ----------------
No.
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Metapad is aimed towards HTML with two performance consuming features. External viewer support (e.g. web browser) WYSIWYG printing (wich would not be the mission of a bodytext editor)
However, I can type faster in Metapad than in many other programs. If
you can come up with a program in which I can type faster than in
Metapad, I'd be likely to try it.
Why do we find this text? If you are looking for a better solution than Notepad for Creative Writing, this little utility NovelEssayEDitor is here.
I have tried several times now to find the programs you are talking
about.
I have tried searching for "NovelEssayEDitor", all hits on google lead
back to this discussion, there is no program with that name in the real
world.
I have tried searching for "Notepad for Creative Writing", no hits on
google.
Are you talking about non-existing programs, or can't you spell the
names of the programs you are talking about? Are you talking about
fictive dreamworld text editors and you have named them as if they
really exist?
Anyhow, have you tried Ultraedit, and its companion program Ultraedit
studio?
(both really exist and are easy to find, both payware, www.ultraedit.com)
I used Ultraedit a lot earlier, and it is seen by many as the best text
editor in the world.
It has many of the features you are looking for, like version control.
On 10 Oct 2006 19:26:38 GMT, "Dan Goodman" <dsgood@iphouse.com> wrote:
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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A real NovelEssayEDitor will probably not be the VERY FASTEST of all, but it should be the fastest _real _word-editor_ around.
No.Or only if the extra features help the way I write. So far, none have-- and your list of features includes more which would get in the wayfor me than would help.I write using a simple text editor. Metapad is fast, and reasonablyeasy to use.Preparing for submission is another matter; for that, something moreelaborate can be needed.
Nine-and-sixty ways. I mostly use Word, and can't stand to use a text
editor to write more than snippets of a few hundred words. And even
then I prefer something a little fancier (e.g. Cetus Cwordpad).
On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:02:49 +0000 (UTC), Mary K. Kuhner wrote:
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In article <7cplyhrciues$.juhmjwg7kfk.dlg@40tude.net>, Morgan Ohlson <morgan.ohlson@comhem.se> wrote:
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Wouldn't you use any of thiese? (some may already be included in Metapad).One or a few, but not more of thies are often implemented in coders editors.
Most of these would be quite distracting to me when writing fiction, and I would just turn them off. A couple are useful:
Okey, the list is also extencive and some features solve the same problem,
so only somthing like half of them would fill most NEED (NovelEssayEDitor).
The plug-in feature would also make it possible to use the editor in "small
size" and just expand when things get rough.... still before the
lay-out-phase.
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# AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search (find scene or part in largetext)
The text editor vi does this better--not just and/or but full regexp syntax. I have seldom encountered something I couldn't find with vi, except that matching across lines baffles me.
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# spell on demand (+personal dictionary)
Having the ability to have a different dictionary for each novel would be helpful, as words which are proper names in one novel are often just typoes or thinkos in the others.
I interprete that as fast switchable personal complementary dictionaries
(same language).
Creative writers could probably help each others with special areas personal
dictionary files for novels in hospital, war, crime settings etc.
How likely will a coders editor-team fullfill creative writers wishes?
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# join files
Essential, but vi does it fine.
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# large file potential >1.5 million words (most modern editors already dothis)
Very useful to me as a programmer, but I've never needed it as a fiction writer, and suspect I never will! Gosh, that's huge. I suppose if Mary Gentle wanted all of _Ash_ in one file....
It coudl be very usefull if you like to do some searches or anayzis on your
text with many chapters (even alternative chapters) in one big joined file.
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What I would like to have: Correct handling of curly quotes and dashes. I know I can just turn them off, but if they are turned on, they should be right! Neither Word nor OpenOffice can do this, and in LaTeX you have to handle the curly quotes yourself.
For coding or NovelEssaywriting?
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Graceful handling of running heads, for submissions versions.
Sorry, don't comprehend that, please explain!
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I don't like the way any of my available programs do it. A routine to change Usenet-style text with hard line breaks correctly to word-processor style text with soft line breaks except between paragraphs. (I do this with search and replace, but it's mildly tedious and seldom 100% accurate.)
NovellEssaywriting?
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Other than that, I don't feel any lacks in my current tools. LaTeX with SFFMS is great for submissions. I've even gotten reconciled to the use of Word, with most features turned off, for composition, though vi is also fine for me.
SSFMS (from the web)
SFFMS is a latex class for formatting science fiction and fantasy
manuscripts in the format standard for the genre - 12pt monospaced font
with double spacing, etc., etc. It is based on a previous style file
called sfms. It would probably be appropriate for any fiction
manuscripts and non-technical non-fiction manuscripts as well. Full
documentation is provided in the .dtx file.
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Q: does that mean thet the writer can not choose format while writing it?
....or is this only for lay-out?
On 11 Oct 2006 14:36:32 -0700, Roger Johansson wrote:
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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Why do we find this text? If you are looking for a better solution than Notepad for Creative Writing, this little utility NovelEssayEDitor is here.
I have tried several times now to find the programs you are talking about.
But please... it's a fantasy name on a non existing project. The name
NovelEssayEDitor is just made up to give glimps on what it should be about.
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(both really exist and are easy to find, both payware///..
But payware was't really the topic, was it?
But, still it is interesting that U say those are good payware, while most
people around seem to nod their heads like a specialized editor for creative
writing would be some kind of sin.
Could U believe that some of the people, actualy writing about SciFi is so
utterly agressive towards Real Life tool development!?
Its a paradox well worth it's own book.
Morgan Ohlson <morgan.ohlson@comhem.se> wrote:
But please... it's a fantasy name on a non existing project. The nameNovelEssayEDitor is just made up to give glimps on what it should be about.
Are you trying to write an editor for writers? Or are you trying to
get someone else to write such an editor?
Forgive the basic questions. I came in late and my news server doesn't
carry the two other groups that this thread is cross posted to, so I'm
only getting a glimpse of a part of this thread. Once I (we) better
understand your goal, I think that we can be posibly a bit more
helpful.
It sounds like you seek to spearhead a new project for an editor
exclusively for writers. Good deal. Most editors are multi-purpose
though, and overlooking existing editors that might be repackaged to
fit your needs might not be such a good idea. There is a great amount
of debugging, rewritting, etc. that goes with any project starting out
flat footed. If that's what you want, power to you!
Someone who has developed a superior multi-purpose editor is way ahead
of the curves though. You might simply ask in the PsPad forum and be
pleasantly surprised if time is available to remove the unnecessary
parts of PsPad and to incorporate any features that a writer might
need. If it's just a matter of having: "PsPad - Writer Edition," in
the title bar, that's no problem.
I've tried writing many times and I enjoy Atlantis Nova for neat .rtf.
It has no spell checker, but there are easy work arounds. Crypt Edit
is also a nice editor that has spell checking. I'd not hesitate to use
PsPad now. All are tools that have strengths and weaknesses. You must
realize that pen and paper were used prior to typewriters, and
typewriters were used prior to word processors and PCs. It is the
individual who has (or not) the creativity to write successfully
though, rather than the tool used. Or, we'd have no literature...
If you just want to spearhead a new project, power to ya!
Here is a little utility that I wrote some time ago that will convert
Unix style text to PC style text. You can set margins on both sides
and it will rewrap to your specs. It will remove any stray high ascii
characters and strip double spaces, if you wish. I never did get it to
center chapter titles, but otherwise it works very nicely.
Having the ability to have a different dictionary for each novel would be helpful, as words which are proper names in one novel are often just typoes or thinkos in the others.
Um . . . Don't all word processors do that? My ancient DOS text
editor, PC-Write does.
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A routine to change Usenet-style text with hard line breaks correctly to word-processor style text with soft line breaks except between paragraphs. (I do this with search and replace, but it's mildly tedious and seldom 100% accurate.)
Doesn't a simple reformat do that? (Guess I'd better get a DOS
emulator for my new Linux machine, and keep a death-grip on PC-Write.)
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