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Old 09-14-2006, 08:23 AM
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I saw a colleague using Illustrator, and also saw
that she used levels (layers).

But I thought the native .AI format did not contain
layers (or levels)...am I wrong?


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Old 09-14-2006, 10:57 AM
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Owen Ransen wrote:
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I saw a colleague using Illustrator, and also saw that she used levels (layers). But I thought the native .AI format did not contain layers (or levels)...am I wrong?


Although I'm still a novice at best, with Illustrator, I think most
regular users can tell you not only does it use layers (I've used layers
to trace images), but I think Illy's layers are more powerful than
Photoshops layers (in what you can do with them)
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Old 09-14-2006, 08:46 PM
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:57:19 GMT, Fungusized <fungusized@hotmail.com>
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Owen Ransen wrote:
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I saw a colleague using Illustrator, and also saw that she used levels (layers). But I thought the native .AI format did not contain layers (or levels)...am I wrong?
Although I'm still a novice at best, with Illustrator, I think mostregular users can tell you not only does it use layers (I've used layersto trace images), but I think Illy's layers are more powerful thanPhotoshops layers (in what you can do with them)


What I'd really like to know is how layers are possible in the
program if they are not possible in the file format...

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http://www.ransen.com/
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Old 09-14-2006, 09:57 PM
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In article <b0ckg2hlopknqjj5h2jklbkaifcrqc0k5p@4ax.com>,
Owen Ransen <willy@wonker.com> wrote:
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What I'd really like to know is how layers are possible in the program if they are not possible in the file format... Easy to use graphics effects: http://www.ransen.com/


Think postscript. Illustrator's data is mostly postscript with custom
dictionary functions, though metadata can be present in the file itself.

Adding a 'tag' to an element's data to specify a layer isn't all that
hard, nor is grouping or arranging elements into specific encapsulated
data sets. Define a 'layer' dictionary function- not necessarily a
graphicstate operator - and parsing out elements to a specific layer by
the application isn't all that hard and can be handled much like element
grouping (I believe it's that last method that's used by Adobe, though
my intimate Illustrator postscript knowledge doesn't reach beyond
Illustrator 88, and even that's a little fuzzy now).

If you want a rough analog to wrap your head around, think about HTML
tables and how they're handled. That's not an exact translation, but it
should give your head a hint about how it's done.

- Doug
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Old 09-15-2006, 05:19 AM
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 05:57:36 GMT, Doug Winger <justdoug@socal.rr.com>
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What I'd really like to know is how layers are possible in the program if they are not possible in the file format...
Think postscript. Illustrator's data is mostly postscript with customdictionary functions, though metadata can be present in the file itself.

Hmmm, I thought that AI was PS without the programming, though
I'm no expert.

Quote:
Adding a 'tag' to an element's data to specify a layer isn't all that...snip...Illustrator 88, and even that's a little fuzzy now).

Thanks for the suggestions. I suppose the easiset thing for me
to do would be to create a simple .AI file using layers and
see how they do it.


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http://www.ransen.com/
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Old 09-15-2006, 11:11 PM
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On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:23:09 +0200, Owen Ransen <willy@wonker.com>
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But I thought the native .AI format did not containlayers (or levels)...am I wrong?


It does, I've found the PDF file for AI and it has
begin layer and end layer commands...


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