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Old 10-08-2006, 05:38 AM
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Basic demanded functions are: Drag&drop, cut&paste, search&replace, font
option, multifile, recognize urls. Others see below.

CREATIVE WRITERS EDITOR FEATURES (novels /fiction /poetry) and non tech
essays. NovelEssayEDitor, NEED. Bulk /body text writing only. Not intended
for layout!!! Perhaps more facts and wishes will inspire someone to actually
make this super-typewriter-2006/2007.

Write all bodytext in this editor and export or cut&paste into your
favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager. That's the idea.
_____________________________________

Rank features below with numbers
Remember this is a _body-text_ editor.

Grades /ranks: I would use this feature...
4. frequently every day
3. every time
2. regularly /frequently
1. Not often but valuable and wanted feature
0 or [empty]. useless to me
______________________________________


___Features for edit
# undo/redo, high level (>50)
# quick-name/word insert
# select word, line, scentence, pragraph, all
# built-in clipboard
# change case
# clean html
# clean pagebreaks
# clean tabs

___Features for search
# jump-to line
# speed bookmark
# visible bookmarks
# AND /OR advanced words in multifile search
# AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search
# AND /OR advanced words in line search
# search find all (helps chapter coding)
# highlight color all marked (helps chapter coding)
# extensive statistics in file
# language analyzis (DIY critics)
# long words warning-beep (on/off)
# long scentence warning-beep (on/off)
# used words analyzis (DIY critics)
# over-used word warning-beep (on/off)
# same word repeted in scentence warning-beep (on/off)
# extensive multifile statistics (DIY critics)

___Features for viewing
# project window
# files window
# color interface options
# Active Line highlight (high visibility)
# big txt-cursor, transparent (high visibility)
# set page width
# quick outzoom ~40% (for overview)
# line spacing (several steps)
# line numbers
# paragraph numbers
# show invisible characters
# window-tabbes visible shortcut-keys

___Features for graphical viewing, perception etc.
Editor NOT intended for graphical lay-out. BodyText writing /editing only!
# formated text (RTF-file)
# extended txt-format (bold, underline, italics)
# typewriter /keyboard sound (best speed)
# double stroke/irregular-key warning-beep

___Features for tools
# spell on the fly (+personal dictionary)
# spell on demand (+personal dictionary)
# autoword (as in cellphones)
# thesaurus
# rhyme lexicon
# easy dic &thesaurus installation/change
# autosave XX minutes
# autosave to X-file
# quickstart project icon creation
# encryption files for security
# macro
# plug-ins

___Features for windows
# file window arrangment (stack, pile, cascade, tile)
# split windows (same file side-by-side)
# show status (saved, words etc)

___Features for files
# open multifile
# open project
# reload from last opened (autosave backup)
# join files
# split files
# save project (size, position, choosen files)
# file history (25)
# export to (rtf/sxw/otw/doc)
# export to html
# import outliners (treepad/keynote/TkOutliner)
# import html

___Misc.& performance features
# all hotkeys
# no icons (minimalistic)
# large file potential >1.5 million words
# (Invention) color categories text (multinode se below)
# maximum speed
-----------

Color categories text. Viewing feature: Writing parallell texts, mixed
paragraphs in the same document. Each with it's own color. Body text is
black and red and blue are note colors (see below). Color notes can be
toggled on or off as liked. Black is meant for body text, red and blue for
notes. One could also describe this like all blue (tagged by you) becomes
same node, like a blue node that can appear anywhere you like. On screen and
in printouts you choose if the blue text shoud be visible or not. Same goes
for black, red, etc. Could also be called an easy-to-use "multi-node
feature"

Use alt1: Black body text; Darkblue for plot notes; Darkred for editorial
notes.
Use alt2: Black body text; Darkblue for headlines; Darkred for
preamble/introduction (fast serach etc)
Use alt3: According to your liking.

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Old 10-08-2006, 06:58 AM
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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Basic demanded functions are: Drag&drop, cut&paste, search&replace, font option,


What's a "font option"?
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multifile, recognize urls. Others see below. CREATIVE WRITERS EDITOR FEATURES (novels /fiction /poetry) and non tech essays. NovelEssayEDitor, NEED. Bulk /body text writing only. Not intended for layout!!! Perhaps more facts and wishes will inspire someone to actually make this super-typewriter-2006/2007. Write all bodytext in this editor and export or cut&paste into your favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager. That's the idea.


My text editor /is/ my "favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager".
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_____________________________________ Rank features below with numbers Remember this is a _body-text_ editor. Grades /ranks: I would use this feature... 4. frequently every day 3. every time 2. regularly /frequently 1. Not often but valuable and wanted feature 0 or [empty]. useless to me ______________________________________ ___Features for edit # undo/redo, high level (>50)


Sort-of nice. (Since the text /is/ going to be in
CVS, we only need undo in the current session. Since
one follows the save-at-the-drop-of-a-hat tactic,
the latest significant effort is always available.
But undo for small chunks is nice.)
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# quick-name/word insert


Unnecessary.
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# select word, line, scentence, pragraph, all


Might be useful. Depends what one wants to do
with selected thingies.
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# built-in clipboard


X11.
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# change case


Sometimes nice.
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# clean html


It's text. What's HTML got to do with it?
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# clean pagebreaks


It's text. What are "pagebreaks"?
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# clean tabs


It's text. What are "tabs"?
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___Features for search
# jump-to line


Not interesting.
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# speed bookmark


What's one of those?
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# visible bookmarks


Ditto.
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# AND /OR advanced words in multifile search # AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search # AND /OR advanced words in line search


Dunno. Doesn't sound like something I've ever wanted.
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# search find all (helps chapter coding)


I don't know what this means. (And what's "chapter
coding"?)
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# highlight color all marked (helps chapter coding)


Ditto.
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# extensive statistics in file


What for?
Quote:
# language analyzis (DIY critics)


Could be nice. Clearly a plugin feature. Hmm, it occurs
to me that if one were to actually /do/ this, rather
than looking for cats to vacuum, a natural candidate
would be to embed in Eclipse.
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# long words warning-beep (on/off)


Never never never.
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# long scentence warning-beep (on/off)


Never never never.
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# used words analyzis (DIY critics)


Plugin. Posthoc would be fine.
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# over-used word warning-beep (on/off)


Never never never.
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# same word repeted in scentence warning-beep (on/off)


Never never never.

(The machine SHALL NOT beep at me.)
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# extensive multifile statistics (DIY critics) ___Features for viewing # project window


Irrelevant. My desktop has a file browser.
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# files window


Irrelevant. My desktop has a file browser.
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# color interface options


Don't really care (yet).
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# Active Line highlight (high visibility)


Maybe.
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# big txt-cursor, transparent (high visibility)


Maybe.
Quote:
# set page width


Don't care much.
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# quick outzoom ~40% (for overview)


Don't see it being useful.
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# line spacing (several steps)


No.
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# line numbers


No.
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# paragraph numbers


No.

(What /could/ be handy is a running wordcount.)
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# show invisible characters


Irrelevant. There aren't any (see "It's text.")
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# window-tabbes visible shortcut-keys


Wossat?
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___Features for graphical viewing, perception etc. Editor NOT intended for graphical lay-out. BodyText writing /editing only! # formated text (RTF-file)


That's for output. Don't really care. (I want pretty
output, I'll write an outputter.)
Quote:
# extended txt-format (bold, underline, italics)


Ditto.
Quote:
# typewriter /keyboard sound (best speed)


The machine SHALL NOT click at me. The keyboard makes
quite enough noise all on its own.
Quote:
# double stroke/irregular-key warning-beep


The machine SHALL NOT beep at me.
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___Features for tools # spell on the fly (+personal dictionary) # spell on demand (+personal dictionary)


Possibly useful.
Quote:
# autoword (as in cellphones)


No.
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# thesaurus


Possibly. But really this sort of thing should be
an independant attached process.
Quote:
# rhyme lexicon


No ta (even though Flitz uses limericks ...)
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# easy dic &thesaurus installation/change # autosave XX minutes


The machine SHALL NOT autosave into the current
working file. (It may save ito a separate autosave
stack if it likes.) Updates to the current working
file happen when I SAY SO.
Quote:
# autosave to X-file


What's X-file?
Quote:
# quickstart project icon creation


I don't need any icons. I don't need any projects, either.
I have directories and CVS.
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# encryption files for security


Too dangerous.
Quote:
# macro


Never really needed them (but then again ...)
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# plug-ins


Yes.
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___Features for windows # file window arrangment (stack, pile, cascade, tile)


What?
Quote:
# split windows (same file side-by-side)


Possibly.
Quote:
# show status (saved, words etc)


Possibly.
Quote:
___Features for files # open multifile


What does that mean?
Quote:
# open project


What are "projects"?
Quote:
# reload from last opened (autosave backup)


Not interesting.
Quote:
# join files # split files


Well, yes, `read file` and `save partfile`.
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# save project (size, position, choosen files)


Unnecessary.
Quote:
# file history (25)


CVS.
Quote:
# export to (rtf/sxw/otw/doc)


Possibly. And LaTeX.
Quote:
# export to html # import outliners (treepad/keynote/TkOutliner)


No.
Quote:
# import html


An external HTML stripper won't do?

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Old 10-08-2006, 07:03 AM
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Quote:
Morgan Ohlson <morgan.ohlson@comhem.se> wrote:
Basic demanded functions are: Drag&drop, cut&paste, search&replace, fontoption, multifile, recognize urls. Others see below.
CREATIVE WRITERS EDITOR FEATURES (novels /fiction /poetry) and non techessays. NovelEssayEDitor, NEED. Bulk /body text writing only. Not intendedfor layout!!! Perhaps more facts and wishes will inspire someone to actuallymake this super-typewriter-2006/2007.
Write all bodytext in this editor and export or cut&paste into yourfavourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager. That's the idea._____________________________________


I'd suggest that you check out PsPad. It's a programming and text
editor that does pretty much everything that you listed... and more.

http://www.pspad.com/en/pspad.htm

http://www.pspad.com/en/pspad-extensions.php

http://www.pspad.com/en/screenshot.htm

It seems that if you get your features nailed down you can visit the
forum and inquire about having a special template, or a package
without the code templates included specially for creative writers.
The larger job is in _removing_ the various code features that writers
will not use.

It's an outstanding multipurpose editor as is.
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Rank features below with numbersRemember this is a _body-text_ editor.


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Old 10-08-2006, 08:46 AM
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 14:58:40 GMT, Chris Dollin wrote:
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
Quote:
Basic demanded functions are: Drag&drop, cut&paste, search&replace, font option,
What's a "font option"?
Quote:
multifile, recognize urls. Others see below. CREATIVE WRITERS EDITOR FEATURES (novels /fiction /poetry) and non tech essays. NovelEssayEDitor, NEED. Bulk /body text writing only. Not intended for layout!!! Perhaps more facts and wishes will inspire someone to actually make this super-typewriter-2006/2007. Write all bodytext in this editor and export or cut&paste into your favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager. That's the idea.
My text editor /is/ my "favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager".
Quote:
_____________________________________ Rank features below with numbers Remember this is a _body-text_ editor. Grades /ranks: I would use this feature... 4. frequently every day 3. every time 2. regularly /frequently 1. Not often but valuable and wanted feature 0 or [empty]. useless to me ______________________________________ ___Features for edit # undo/redo, high level (>50)
Sort-of nice. (Since the text /is/ going to be in CVS, we only need undo in the current session. Since one follows the save-at-the-drop-of-a-hat tactic, the latest significant effort is always available. But undo for small chunks is nice.)
Quote:
# quick-name/word insert
Unnecessary.
Quote:
# select word, line, scentence, pragraph, all
Might be useful. Depends what one wants to do with selected thingies.
Quote:
# built-in clipboard
X11.
Quote:
# change case
Sometimes nice.
Quote:
# clean html
It's text. What's HTML got to do with it?


If it is imported
Quote:
Quote:
# clean pagebreaks
It's text. What are "pagebreaks"?
Quote:
# clean tabs
It's text. What are "tabs"?
Quote:
___Features for search # jump-to line
Not interesting.
Quote:
# speed bookmark
What's one of those?


Ordinary bookmarks, some applications seem to have a rather unnesessary
complex approach to it. There is a variety I say in some editor that is
smoth, they called it quick, speed or something.
Quote:
Quote:
# visible bookmarks
Ditto.


Visible tag in mariginal
Quote:
Quote:
# AND /OR advanced words in multifile search # AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search # AND /OR advanced words in line search
Dunno. Doesn't sound like something I've ever wanted.


Extremely time saving if you for instance descide to change a character
name...
Quote:
Quote:
# search find all (helps chapter coding)
I don't know what this means. (And what's "chapter coding"?)


Instead of one word found in steps all found words are highlighted in the
same operation.
Quote:
Quote:
# highlight color all marked (helps chapter coding)
Ditto.


If ypu like to se all places you have used a certain name, word or
abrevation you can highlight them all in 1 op.
Quote:
Quote:
# extensive statistics in file
What for?


Track on language complexity. base for analyzis.
Quote:
Quote:
# language analyzis (DIY critics)
Could be nice. Clearly a plugin feature. Hmm, it occurs to me that if one were to actually /do/ this, rather than looking for cats to vacuum, a natural candidate would be to embed in Eclipse.


Eclipse?
Quote:
Quote:
# long words warning-beep (on/off)
Never never never.
Quote:
# long scentence warning-beep (on/off)
Never never never.
Quote:
# used words analyzis (DIY critics)
Plugin. Posthoc would be fine.
Quote:
# over-used word warning-beep (on/off)
Never never never.
Quote:
# same word repeted in scentence warning-beep (on/off)
Never never never. (The machine SHALL NOT beep at me.)


Off is a good button.
Quote:
Quote:
# extensive multifile statistics (DIY critics) ___Features for viewing # project window
Irrelevant. My desktop has a file browser.
Quote:
# files window
Irrelevant. My desktop has a file browser.
Quote:
# color interface options
Don't really care (yet).
Quote:
# Active Line highlight (high visibility)
Maybe.


Must likely be accompanied by the former.
Quote:
Quote:
# big txt-cursor, transparent (high visibility)
Maybe.
Quote:
# set page width
Don't care much.
Quote:
# quick outzoom ~40% (for overview)
Don't see it being useful.
Quote:
# line spacing (several steps)
No.
Quote:
# line numbers
No.
Quote:
# paragraph numbers
No. (What /could/ be handy is a running wordcount.)
Quote:
# show invisible characters
Irrelevant. There aren't any (see "It's text.")
Quote:
# window-tabbes visible shortcut-keys
Wossat?


That you can se each file tab shortcut on the tab itself
Quote:
Quote:
___Features for graphical viewing, perception etc. Editor NOT intended for graphical lay-out. BodyText writing /editing only! # formated text (RTF-file)
That's for output. Don't really care. (I want pretty output, I'll write an outputter.)


Some argue that some format helps orientation in long documents.
Quote:
Quote:
# extended txt-format (bold, underline, italics)
Ditto.
Quote:
# typewriter /keyboard sound (best speed)
The machine SHALL NOT click at me. The keyboard makes quite enough noise all on its own.


The thing is that the keyboard make sound also when a character is NOT
triggered. A blanaced sound can improve the inteface if correctly
implemented.
Quote:
Quote:
# double stroke/irregular-key warning-beep
The machine SHALL NOT beep at me.
Quote:
___Features for tools # spell on the fly (+personal dictionary) # spell on demand (+personal dictionary)
Possibly useful.
Quote:
# autoword (as in cellphones)
No.
Quote:
# thesaurus
Possibly. But really this sort of thing should be an independant attached process.
Quote:
# rhyme lexicon
No ta (even though Flitz uses limericks ...)
Quote:
# easy dic &thesaurus installation/change # autosave XX minutes
The machine SHALL NOT autosave into the current working file. (It may save ito a separate autosave stack if it likes.) Updates to the current working file happen when I SAY SO.
Quote:
# autosave to X-file
What's X-file?


X = variable
Quote:
Quote:
# quickstart project icon creation
I don't need any icons. I don't need any projects, either. I have directories and CVS.


Wouldn't that speed loading of ~10 files, and or speed navigation?
Quote:
Quote:
# encryption files for security
Too dangerous.
Quote:
# macro
Never really needed them (but then again ...)
Quote:
# plug-ins
Yes.
Quote:
___Features for windows # file window arrangment (stack, pile, cascade, tile)
What?


multifile windows arrangements
Quote:
Quote:
# split windows (same file side-by-side)
Possibly.
Quote:
# show status (saved, words etc)
Possibly.
Quote:
___Features for files # open multifile
What does that mean?


opens all marked files in one op.
Quote:
Quote:
# open project
What are "projects"?


Could be a file that records files that you used last time, or under a
project name.
Quote:
Quote:
# reload from last opened (autosave backup)
Not interesting.
Quote:
# join files # split files
Well, yes, `read file` and `save partfile`.
Quote:
# save project (size, position, choosen files)
Unnecessary.
Quote:
# file history (25)
CVS.
Quote:
# export to (rtf/sxw/otw/doc)
Possibly. And LaTeX.
Quote:
# export to html # import outliners (treepad/keynote/TkOutliner)
No.
Quote:
# import html
An external HTML stripper won't do?



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Old 10-08-2006, 09:01 AM
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 10:03:03 -0500, REM wrote:


According to Snapfiles: PSPad Editor - programmers code editor

Probably a nice editor, but looks a little far fetched to remake into a
into a creative writers editor.

;o) why should creative writing be put secondary to coding?


Every day > 2million write creatively.


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Old 10-08-2006, 09:26 AM
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On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 13:38:42 GMT, Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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Basic demanded functions are: Drag&drop, cut&paste, search&replace, font option, multifile, recognize urls. Others see below. CREATIVE WRITERS EDITOR FEATURES (novels /fiction /poetry) and non tech essays. NovelEssayEDitor, NEED. Bulk /body text writing only. Not intended for layout!!! Perhaps more facts and wishes will inspire someone to actually make this super-typewriter-2006/2007. Write all bodytext in this editor and export or cut&paste into your favourite wordprocessor, DTP or book-manager. That's the idea. _____________________________________ Rank features below with numbers Remember this is a _body-text_ editor. Grades /ranks: I would use this feature... 4. frequently every day 3. every time 2. regularly /frequently 1. Not often but valuable and wanted feature 0 or [empty]. useless to me ______________________________________ ___Features for edit # undo/redo, high level (>50) # quick-name/word insert # select word, line, scentence, pragraph, all # built-in clipboard # change case # clean html # clean pagebreaks # clean tabs ___Features for search # jump-to line # speed bookmark # visible bookmarks # AND /OR advanced words in multifile search # AND /OR advanced words in paragraph search # AND /OR advanced words in line search # search find all (helps chapter coding) # highlight color all marked (helps chapter coding) # extensive statistics in file # language analyzis (DIY critics) # long words warning-beep (on/off) # long scentence warning-beep (on/off) # used words analyzis (DIY critics) # over-used word warning-beep (on/off) # same word repeted in scentence warning-beep (on/off) # extensive multifile statistics (DIY critics) ___Features for viewing # project window # files window # color interface options # Active Line highlight (high visibility) # big txt-cursor, transparent (high visibility) # set page width # quick outzoom ~40% (for overview) # line spacing (several steps) # line numbers # paragraph numbers # show invisible characters # window-tabbes visible shortcut-keys ___Features for graphical viewing, perception etc. Editor NOT intended for graphical lay-out. BodyText writing /editing only! # formated text (RTF-file) # extended txt-format (bold, underline, italics) # typewriter /keyboard sound (best speed) # double stroke/irregular-key warning-beep ___Features for tools # spell on the fly (+personal dictionary) # spell on demand (+personal dictionary) # autoword (as in cellphones) # thesaurus # rhyme lexicon # easy dic &thesaurus installation/change # autosave XX minutes # autosave to X-file # quickstart project icon creation # encryption files for security # macro # plug-ins ___Features for windows # file window arrangment (stack, pile, cascade, tile) # split windows (same file side-by-side) # show status (saved, words etc) ___Features for files # open multifile # open project # reload from last opened (autosave backup) # join files # split files # save project (size, position, choosen files) # file history (25) # export to (rtf/sxw/otw/doc) # export to html # import outliners (treepad/keynote/TkOutliner) # import html ___Misc.& performance features # all hotkeys # no icons (minimalistic) # large file potential >1.5 million words # (Invention) color categories text (multinode se below) # maximum speed ----------- Color categories text. Viewing feature: Writing parallell texts, mixed paragraphs in the same document. Each with it's own color. Body text is black and red and blue are note colors (see below). Color notes can be toggled on or off as liked. Black is meant for body text, red and blue for notes. One could also describe this like all blue (tagged by you) becomes same node, like a blue node that can appear anywhere you like. On screen and in printouts you choose if the blue text shoud be visible or not. Same goes for black, red, etc. Could also be called an easy-to-use "multi-node feature" Use alt1: Black body text; Darkblue for plot notes; Darkred for editorial notes. Use alt2: Black body text; Darkblue for headlines; Darkred for preamble/introduction (fast serach etc) Use alt3: According to your liking. Morgan O.


Made a list of powerful free editors all aimed, not towards creative writing
but coding.
All of thies have syntax highlighting and are FREE. There are likely many
more.

NoteTab Light
Syn Text Editor
Crypt Edit (combined word processor)
SuperEdi
Crimson Editor
Delphad
evolvEd Text Editor
RJ TextEd
Win32Pad
ConTEXT
CPad
Notepad2
MDINotepad
VIM
Inedita
nPad2
Barry's Emacs
NoteXPad
NotePad++
PsPad


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Old 10-08-2006, 10:26 AM
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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Made a list of powerful free editors all aimed, not towards creative writing but coding. All of thies have syntax highlighting and are FREE. There are likely many more.


Yes indeed and many have already been listed for your convenience. . .

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ac....php#1.01Editor
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ac...1.01Editor:Code
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ac...tor:Specialized
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ac...r:WordProcessor

These three are the only ones that are NOT listed on the ACF page.
Should they be - is there something especially good about them?
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evolvEd Text Editor RJ TextEd Inedita


The Text Editor page has much more info about *some* of the apps listed
on the ACF program info pages:
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ac...ditorReview.php

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Old 10-08-2006, 11:58 AM
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Morgan Ohlson wrote:
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A blanaced sound can improve the inteface if correctly implemented.


When I'd decoded that to "balanced" (*please* learn to spell, or at least
use a spell-checker, if you want people to take you seriously; not having
English as a first language is no excuse) I still thought "no, the only
thing that can improve an interface is no sound at all".

Otherwise, are you trying to sell this thing, or gauging us to see what
would sell if you did try to sell the thing? If so, that will be all,
thank you.

Irina

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Beghinnen can ick, volherden will' ick, volbringhen sal ick.
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