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Old 10-11-2006, 01:31 AM
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E.g.
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/b...y=ids_marketing

But of course it will not matter to DE, because it is only a
blog of an IBMer, etc.

And DE has made his (pre-mature) judgement and he will not be
convinced otherwise by any current or future facts. ;-)

Besides, such change of opinion would require to admit that one
was wrong before, which can be a difficult thing to do. On a personal
level it is probably more difficult than to migrate a database or
application from one platform to another on the technical level.

Often it is better to keep an open mind - to not close the door
for reasonable decision making based on the right facts of the
current time. Foregone conclusions will always limit your choices
later. Once in the corner where one has put oneself it can be very
difficult to get out again.

Cheers,
Martin
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informix-list-bounces@iiug.org wrote on 10.10.2006 18:25:34:
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Martin Fuerderer wrote:
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DE wrote:
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I _had_ used Informix since 1987, first with CISAM, then 4GL. Tons

of
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code, billable, and smart business solutions. But in going through

the
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seven stages of grief, I'm now really past Informix, at least from a career perspective. Never ever will I bet on that horse again for my family's sake as well as my own. I haven't moved on with the idea

that
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if the product were given a decent chance it would be quite

competitive.
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As you will never bet on informix again, you have bet on different

horses?
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Other products continue to feed my family, Informix does not. I barely note it on my resume anymore.
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And that's why you have to spend so much energy in this forum (news group) to make sure that Informix will never get near winning again, because that would mean you could loose your current bets?
I hope it does succeed, but I'm convinced it will not. It is tragic. There seems to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Informix will never be anything more than just a "legacy" product, as only a handful of customers are using it. But I don't think I spend that much energy in this newsgroup, it only looks that way because most of the people here that post anything, don't go beyond one or two sentences.
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If Informix would be as dead as you pronounce it, why would you then again and again have to state the obvious with so much effort?
It is no effort to continue living with a bad habit. And as long as the bandwidth is unlimited, I can say whatever I want. Besides, if you see the denial of reality here, it is astonishing. It's difficult not to speak up.
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In your place I wouldn't even bother anymore. The effort that you put in here somehow contradicts what you seem so convinced of.
I couldn't agree more. It is a huge contradiction, a conflict in my life. :-)
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With what idea have you then moved on? I guess your last sentence above doesn't really make a lot of sense. You wanted to say "I hadn't moved on with ..."? Sometimes a single letter makes quite a difference ... Cheers, Martin --
You are so correct. As I stated, it's like quitting smoking. You want to stop but it's very very difficult. You know it's bad for you, it has no redeeming quality and yet you smoke anyway. Informix is a bad habit for me, I don't get any benefits out of it, yet I hope against hope that somebody with some competence inside IBM will do the right thing and

market this
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product. But I know it's a lost cause. _______________________________________________ Informix-list mailing list Informix-list@iiug.org http://www.iiug.org/mailman/listinfo/informix-list


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Old 10-11-2006, 04:57 AM
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Martin Fuerderer wrote:
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E.g. http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/b...y=ids_marketing But of course it will not matter to DE, because it is only a blog of an IBMer, etc.


Well, partially true. The blog has a lot of gossip, not much fact.
"Secret secret!, I can't say anything, shhhhhhh!". Show me some
facts.
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And DE has made his (pre-mature) judgement and he will not be convinced otherwise by any current or future facts. ;-)


Facts always sway me, gossip does not. Let's see Informix by the
numbers. I'm from Missouri, the Show-Me state. So Show Me.
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Besides, such change of opinion would require to admit that one was wrong before, which can be a difficult thing to do. On a personal level it is probably more difficult than to migrate a database or application from one platform to another on the technical level.


You made two assertions. One, you're wrong about admitting I'm wrong.
PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG. IBM I AM BEGGING YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG.

Two, I have migrated databases several times for a lot of companies
and worked with most major databases, except Oracle, but even with
Oracle I've had to admin systems where it was running, and I was the
sys admin not the dba. I use SQLServer on a frequent basis, MySQL
on a daily basis, and yes DB2. Set up DB2 HA on Windows. Set up DB2
cluster on Linux. Used and was DBA for XPS, IDS. Wrote tons of C,4GL.
Now I write only Perl and PHP. Lots of Linux kernel management too.
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Often it is better to keep an open mind - to not close the door for reasonable decision making based on the right facts of the current time. Foregone conclusions will always limit your choices later. Once in the corner where one has put oneself it can be very difficult to get out again.


True dat. My family paid a heavy price for my staying too long with
Informix before it died. But what doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
The market will help you to have an open mind.

I've gone on to learn a lot about just about every major database
out there, and know the differences in features. So I think if there
was or is anyone who keeps an open mind here in c.d.i., it is me. I
had a lot of skin in the Informix game in the past, not going to make
that mistake again until it shows itself as a winner, not a wimpy
loser.

You want an open mind, try thinking about what Informix looks like to
the rest of the market. Try to imagine your circle of co-workers
not having a clue what Informix is. Try to imagine management not
knowing what Informix is. Then you will begin to understand my
world.

Get that non-crippled download out there so I can evaluate the product,
and I'll join the party. I'm not going to play with something diddled
with by the goddam IIUG or a "lite" version. And by the way, I didn't
join the Oracle users' group or the MySQL users group and both of these
products seem to be doing fine without my participation or volunteer
effort.

Cheers <raising pint beer glass>

DE

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