Hello all,

I downloaded the trial for QBPro 2005 yesterday. After looking it over for a
few hours,
was considering purchasing it.

Then this arrived in my mailbox this morning:

MS Small Business Accounting Review
http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about53204.html

The screenshots of SBA caught my eye. I am now thinking about holding onto
my money until September 2005 when the software is scheduled for release. I
am curious to know how much the SBA package and the ADP payroll service will
cost. Does anybody know this offhand?

Haven't done too much research into MS's SBA 2006 as I was focused on QBPro
2005. I intend to look at SBA more closely though.
--
Summer (no email)

"Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
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Right. We are supposed to believe you really need an accounting program and
are holding off until Microsoft's version 1.0 of their program comes out.
As far as ADP's pricing why not give them a call. Do you think just because
the data input is done from a Microsoft accounting program their price will
be any different then it is today?

"Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
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While you are researching this, check into Paycycle as another payroll
alternative. It integrates nicely with QB and, IIRC, it maybe cheaper than
ADP.

Follow-up:

Still have a lot more searching/reading to do but...

I have read a couple reviews of MS SBA 2006 and QBP 2005. One reviewer of
SBA in PC Magazine mentioned that price had not been finalized yet as of
11/29/04. The reviewer also stated, "...employee records don't
yet match the flexibility and detail offered by QuickBooks; in fact, you
can't track standard payroll deductions, only timesheets." I hope this
changes before final release! (but this is an old review, too)

Expanded research to include QBP 2003 -04, and -05 along with Microsoft's
offering because I saw where a QBP user (Tara?) mentioned some features that
were in QBP 2004 were removed in 2005, so I need to look into that further.
Only running QBP 99, so I'm not familiar with a lot of the newer features
yet.

BTW, if anyone is interested, Amazon.com has lowered their price for QBPro
2005 to $109.99 after $130.00 rebates ($100.00 from Intuit for upgraders and
$30.00 from Intuit
for purchasing from Amazon.com).

Careful as you go,
Summer

"Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
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| Hello all,
|
| I downloaded the trial for QBPro 2005 yesterday. After looking it over for
|a few hours, was considering purchasing it.
|
| Then this arrived in my mailbox this morning:
|
| MS Small Business Accounting Review
| http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about53204.html
|
| The screenshots of SBA caught my eye. I am now thinking about holding onto
| my money until September 2005 when the software is scheduled for release.
|I am curious to know how much the SBA package and the ADP payroll service
|will cost. Does anybody know this offhand?
|
| Haven't done too much research into MS's SBA 2006 as I was focused on
QBPro
| 2005. I intend to look at SBA more closely though.
| --
| Summer (no email)

Laura, thanks for reminding me! I forgot this item on my "research list". I
have waaay too many lists going on right now. )

"Laura" <invalid@sample.invalid> wrote in message
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|
| "Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
| news:zTade.2669$Cz3.401998@monger.newsread.com...
| > Hello all,
| >
| > I downloaded the trial for QBPro 2005 yesterday. After looking it over
for
| > a
| > few hours,
| > was considering purchasing it.
| >
| > Then this arrived in my mailbox this morning:
| >
| > MS Small Business Accounting Review
| > http://www.pro-networks.org/forum/about53204.html
| >
| > The screenshots of SBA caught my eye. I am now thinking about holding
onto
| > my money until September 2005 when the software is scheduled for
release.
| > I
| > am curious to know how much the SBA package and the ADP payroll service
| > will
| > cost. Does anybody know this offhand?
| >
| > Haven't done too much research into MS's SBA 2006 as I was focused on
| > QBPro
| > 2005. I intend to look at SBA more closely though.
|
| While you are researching this, check into Paycycle as another payroll
| alternative. It integrates nicely with QB and, IIRC, it maybe cheaper than
| ADP.
|

"Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
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As far as I can tell they didn't remove anything except, possibly, the
ability to change fonts on printed checks. It *might* be a problem with my
copy but I think QB is trying to force users into complying with general
banking standards. I did mention that some things had been "messed with" or
tweaked but not removed. Now I have definitely mentioned that crippled
version that's made for Mac. It doesn't have many of the features that the
same version for Windows does. Anyway, take my griping with a grain of salt
because for the vast majority little changes won't make a difference. For
people like me who power-tab through screens and tend to get very automated,
paying little attention to the screen & all attention to the paper I'm
entering, the slightest change causes me/us to have to alter our input
behavior.


--
Tara

I was a beta tester for SBA from M$ and the payroll was the least
appealing part of the system. There will be no manual payroll as in QB
so if you don't do a subscription to ADP you're not doing payroll. I
sent a lengthy dissertation to them regarding this and there was no reply.


Summer wrote:

"none" <""root\"@(none)"> wrote in message
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Rather odd that they would go ahead and create a program with this
limitation. How in the world will Microsoft ever become successful as a
company if they don't meet the needs of their target end user for this
product?

Allan Martin wrote:


Allan:

You keep forgetting who the real customer is. It is the share owner of
Microsoft. Every possible feature they can build in that has a recurring fee
is the feature the real customer wants. I'm sure that ADP and Microsoft have a
nice cushy revenue sharing agreement in place. Just like QB you'll have to buy
an update to the program every year because the IRS will have changed some form
it prints or some tax table will change.

Money, Money ....

"Tee" <crappolagozhere@netscape.net> wrote in message
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| "Summer" <summer@thecabinbythelake.com> wrote in message
| news:6Fede.2677$Cz3.405800@monger.newsread.com...
| >
| > Expanded research to include QBP 2003 -04, and -05 along with
Microsoft's
| > offering because I saw where a QBP user (Tara?) mentioned some features
| > that
| > were in QBP 2004 were removed in 2005, so I need to look into that
| > further.
| > Only running QBP 99, so I'm not familiar with a lot of the newer
features
| > yet.
|
| As far as I can tell they didn't remove anything except, possibly, the
| ability to change fonts on printed checks. It *might* be a problem with
my
| copy but I think QB is trying to force users into complying with general
| banking standards. I did mention that some things had been "messed with"
or
| tweaked but not removed. Now I have definitely mentioned that crippled
| version that's made for Mac. It doesn't have many of the features that
the
| same version for Windows does. Anyway, take my griping with a grain of
salt
| because for the vast majority little changes won't make a difference. For
| people like me who power-tab through screens and tend to get very
automated,
| paying little attention to the screen & all attention to the paper I'm
| entering, the slightest change causes me/us to have to alter our input
| behavior.|
| --
| Tara

Thanks for the clarification, Tara.

My apologies for not remembering the post correctly and for not remembering
if it was from you - I'm suffering from information overload again. )